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7/25/2007 6:50:44 AM EDT
Ok... I have a 7" barreled ar-15 pistol that I just built from help on this site.  5.56 and a .22 ciener kit.  I want to put a stock on it.. and I know I have to make it a SBR.  so... can anyone walk me thru the form?   I have the form printed out.. yes front and back as required... and ready to fill it out.. just dont want to do it wrong and have to do it again...  so.. can anyone please help... question 2a thru the rest.. lol especially... where it asks: REASON for this weapon... other than "SBR's are KICK-AZZ to look at... what legit reason (since im not going to use it for other than plinking basically) and looks.. should i put down so my CLEO and the BATF will aprove it?
Thanks to all that can help.
Steve.
7/25/2007 6:53:40 AM EDT
[#1]
"All lawful purposes"
7/25/2007 7:29:44 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
"All lawful purposes"


What he said

Hardwarz
7/25/2007 8:31:47 AM EDT
[#3]
"All lawful purposes" is the conservative answer.

"Because chicks dig 'em" is the funny answer.

Both will get approved.  As I understand it, anything short of "to rob the local bank" will get approved.  

I used the former on my first Form 1.  

Before it is all said and done, I'll have the latter on a Form 1/4.  
7/25/2007 10:35:27 AM EDT
[#4]
thank you guys very much for the  help...
Steve.
7/25/2007 3:39:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me further thru this such as... to be clear...

am I the transferee? or transferor? ect.? lol

Manufacturer?  I built this from a kit. it has a dpms lower or am I the manufacturer?

Caliber... I have it as 5.56mm but will change tops occationally to 9mm ect. so, do i put in all the diff calibers? or multi? or it wont matter?

So basically... I am   Joe Q. Public with no ffl.. no crimal record.. no nothing other than just a law abiding citizen...   can someone tell me which of the 2a - 15 lines I need to fill in?  

I do not want to do this incorrectly and have to do it again or be denied.  Please help.

Steve.  -----> aka. Dumbass.. lol
7/25/2007 4:58:03 PM EDT
[#6]
First off, you are looking at the wrong form. A Form 4 is used to transfer an NFA item which is already registered.

If you want to put a shoulder stock on an AR15 pistol, you must first enter it into the Registry by filing a Form 1. So download a Form 1 and start from there.


Quoted:
Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me further thru this such as... to be clear...

am I the transferee? or transferor? ect.? lol
Neither. You will be the maker of the NFA item. Which is why you need to use a Form 1.

Manufacturer?  I built this from a kit. it has a dpms lower or am I the manufacturer?
DPMS is the manufacturer of the host lower. You are the maker.

Caliber... I have it as 5.56mm but will change tops occationally to 9mm ect. so, do i put in all the diff calibers? or multi? or it wont matter?
Pick one caliber. For future caliber chamges and different barrel lengths, either list them in the "additional info" box or attach a list.

So basically... I am   Joe Q. Public with no ffl.. no crimal record.. no nothing other than just a law abiding citizen...   can someone tell me which of the 2a - 15 lines I need to fill in?  

I do not want to do this incorrectly and have to do it again or be denied.  Please help.

Steve.  -----> aka. Dumbass.. lol


For reason, put "all lawful purposes." It will get approved.
7/25/2007 5:43:17 PM EDT
[#7]
WHEWWWWWWWWW    Tony....  THANK YOU... ive been looking all night after thinking about which form i should be filing out... THANK YOU for clearing that up...  and the rest of the info.....  MUCH MUCH appreciated..
Filling out a form1 now... YIPPIEEEEEEEE

Is the e-form 1 any quicker? or do I need to print it and mail it in?


Steve.
7/26/2007 2:38:34 AM EDT
[#8]
Make sure the form is double sided, 1 sheet.

do not forget the citizenship declaration form.

send it to WV, not the address on the form

i always use "Personal Collection" in box 4i..
7/26/2007 5:56:29 AM EDT
[#9]
Yep, the form must be one page, front and back.  You will need to file the Form 1 in duplicate (2 forms).

The Form 1s sometimes take a little linger than the Form 4s.
7/26/2007 9:17:49 AM EDT
[#10]
ok... so i need to send it in duplicate...   so i print it out...  sign it.. and make copies? or do i have to fill it out twice?  also... does my CLEO have to sign 2 forms... or do i just have to have him sign 1 and then make a copy of that and send it in?  

I am sorry that im being a total dumb ass in this.. but it is the first time i have gone thru this and dont want to ... opps...  Screw up.. lol..   I truely appreciate all the help you guys are giving me.

Steve.
7/26/2007 10:12:02 AM EDT
[#11]
You can fill it out, make a copy, and then you and the CLEO each sign both copies. The signatures all must be originals in ink.

Then you send in the two copies. BATFE puts a tax stamp on one and sends it back to you; they keep the other one for their files. They want theirs to have original signatures (not photocopied sigs) and you want original ink signatures on your copy, too, for legal purposes.
7/26/2007 11:22:35 AM EDT
[#12]

ok... so i need to send it in duplicate...   so i print it out...  sign it.. and make copies? or do i have to fill it out twice?

I fill out the PDF on my computer and print two copies.
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