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Posted: 12/30/2010 4:31:01 PM EDT
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Two unrelated questions about two different rifles.
Given it's method of ejection, how high of an angle can you fire an FS2000 and have it function? I there a shell deflector for the STG-E4 rifle that allows it to be fired left handed? As a right handed shooter I sometimes switch shoulders with my AR during training, but with the STG it looks like I'd have to hold gangsta to keep the brass off my face. I know the bolt can be set up for left or right side usage, but what if you don't have time to swap it out? |
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Two unrelated questions about two different rifles. Given it's method of ejection, how high of an angle can you fire an FS2000 and have it function? I there a shell deflector for the STG-E4 rifle that allows it to be fired left handed? As a right handed shooter I sometimes switch shoulders with my AR during training, but with the STG it looks like I'd have to hold gangsta to keep the brass off my face. I know the bolt can be set up for left or right side usage, but what if you don't have time to swap it out? Should be able to fire straight up and still have the rounds pushed out, but are you really going to be doing that? KT RFB supposedly designed and tested to fire vertically. Manticore Arms makes a deflector for the STG-556/E4. |
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Thanks for the Manticore Arms info. I really like the STG more than the FS2000, but the ejection was going to be a deal breaker.
No, I probably won't ever be firing straight up, but I've spent to long in the military watching troops break unbreakable stuff and jam jam proof equipment to leave something as important as proper function to chance. I love my AR's, but I'm getting a little tired of the platform. The only conditions I have for a new semi is that it be in 5.56 and take AR magazines. Quoted:
Should be able to fire straight up and still have the rounds pushed out, but are you really going to be doing that? KT RFB supposedly designed and tested to fire vertically. Manticore Arms makes a deflector for the STG-556/E4. |
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I can tell you from personal experience that it'll take a lot more than shooting a FS2000 straight up to cause ejection issues - the empty cases are pushed into the ejection tube with enough force to:
1. open the ejection door if the tube is full, 2. or to clear mud stuck in the ejection tube, 3. or to forcefully clear cases stuck between the ejection hole and what you're bracing it against. It's a non-issue. Austrians shoot their AUGs weak side with their hand in front of their face to deflect the brass. Switching ejection sides requires field-stripping the weapon, which isn't something you'd do during that kind of use. |
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Interesting side note is that the AXR-160 has reversible ejection on the fly, but the charging handle is reciprocating. Magpul's concept PDR had the idea of doing a reversible ejection like the AXR-160. I believe the Polish for their MSBS are working on reversible ejection as well. I think reversible ejection is the future whereas foward ejection...well, not so much. The forward ejection of the FS2000 to my understanding prevents the last round bolt hold open whereas a reversible ejection would not. |
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Interesting side note is that the AXR-160 has reversible ejection on the fly, but the charging handle is reciprocating. Magpul's concept PDR had the idea of doing a reversible ejection like the AXR-160. I believe the Polish for their MSBS are working on reversible ejection as well. I think reversible ejection is the future whereas foward ejection...well, not so much. The forward ejection of the FS2000 to my understanding prevents the last round bolt hold open whereas a reversible ejection would not. to my knowledge, the FAMAS had a reversible bolt, and that was in the past. the forward ejection does take away last round bolt hold open but that doesn't make much of a difference, depending on how you operate every other system. For example, on pistols, i pull the slide back to release the slide lock after putting in a fresh magazine, and on an ar15 i pull the charging handle back to release the bolt hold open. If you are a slide release/bolt release user, forward ejection is a problem, if your do it the other way, it's simple as pie. |
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to be honest i don't know much about RFBs..
maybe they have a different feed/ejection system, maybe their version of the "switch" holds the last spent case and sends it down the tube upon closing the chamber on a fresh magazines Quoted:
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The forward ejection of the FS2000 to my understanding prevents the last round bolt hold open the forward ejection does take away last round bolt hold open Doesn't the RFB have it? How do they get it done? |
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Quoted: I had an RFB. Yes, there was a hold open. It was a simple spring loaded device that was activated by the follower. I'm not familiar with the workings of the RFB, did you ever check to see how the spent casing was captured or whatever it does on extraction? To the OP, the FS2000 ejection cycle is fairly robust. The spent case is being slammed into the ejection tube with the same spring force used when you charge the rifle. I've used a strip of blue painters tape to tape the ejection door shut and once the tube fills up with cases it pops the taped door and shoves the cases right out. The FS2000 is a very reliable rifle, mine simply runs and runs. Archive post here on my own experience with not cleaning it for a few years http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=24&t=326136 The rifle does have some limitations (and design decisions I'm not crazy about) but reliability is not one of them. |
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I'm not familiar with the workings of the RFB, did you ever check to see how the spent casing was captured or whatever it does on extraction? |
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