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Posted: 8/16/2013 9:31:40 AM EDT
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I have a DSA FN-Fal that I'd like the barrel shortened to 16" carbine length and have the barrel threaded and a short flash suppressor installed.
A couple of questions also come to mind. Do the gas port sizes have to be adjusted as well? If there is no one in state (Oklahoma) can I just send the upper and have the work done or would I ave to send the complete rifle? Who old recommend sending it to? |
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Strange. I have a DSArms FAL as well, as it is only the upper that has the SN on it.
Is yours an older FAL? Maybe a parts kit gun? I know on the FNC series (in .223) both the upper and lower had SN (the same ones if from the same gun), and there has been a lot of backs and forths as to what part is the firearm, as the FNC has a number of auto sears, and somehow it mattered which one was the firearm. Something to do with transfering the auto sear to another FN series like the SCAR I belive. Anyway, maybe others can verify what part is the firearm. |
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If that's the case per ATF, then shouldn't AR-15 uppers be the gun? Quoted:
The upper receiver, the part that holds the barrel, is the gun, according to the ATF.... If that's the case per ATF, then shouldn't AR-15 uppers be the gun? Now you're trying to look for logic from a government agency. Go ahead and slap your forehead now. The upper receiver is the firearm, as stated previously. The reason your lower is stamped with a different serial number is because the Europeans love to number everything and so most FALs have numbered lowers. Mark Graham, gunplumber at the falfiles, is well respected FALsmith. He's located in Arizona. |
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Now you're trying to look for logic from a government agency. Go ahead and slap your forehead now. The upper receiver is the firearm, as stated previously. The reason your lower is stamped with a different serial number is because the Europeans love to number everything and so most FALs have numbered lowers. Mark Graham, gunplumber at the falfiles, is well respected FALsmith. He's located in Arizona. Quoted:
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The upper receiver, the part that holds the barrel, is the gun, according to the ATF.... If that's the case per ATF, then shouldn't AR-15 uppers be the gun? Now you're trying to look for logic from a government agency. Go ahead and slap your forehead now. The upper receiver is the firearm, as stated previously. The reason your lower is stamped with a different serial number is because the Europeans love to number everything and so most FALs have numbered lowers. Mark Graham, gunplumber at the falfiles, is well respected FALsmith. He's located in Arizona. Gunplumber... Arizona. Came to post exactly this. |
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Who??? Quoted:
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Yep, Graham could do it. Make sure you tell him you're a big fan of ggiiillllliiieeeee too.  Who??? Nevermind; they're effing with you. Gunplumber (Mark Graham) has a long-running feud with gggiiillliiieee on FALfiles. He can definitely do the job well for you. If you send him the whole rifle, he can also make sure it runs properly after shortening. While alphabet agencies make up their own rules (esp. ATF), my understanding was that the part with the magwell is the receiver, and therefore the firearm. I'm certain there are plenty of exceptions to that, however. |
Feud isn't on any more, since ggiiilllliiiiieeee is long gone, but Gunplumber does do good work.|
It was my annecdotal understand that the part of the gun that holds the magazine is what was considered the "firearm," ergo the differences between the FAL and the AR.
Anyhoo, if you do shorted the barrel, you'll need to open up the gasport, but that's pretty easy. Just take your front sight post out and there ya go. |
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Gunplumber (Mark Graham) has a long-running feud with gggiiillliiieee just about anyone who has an opinion that differs from his on FALfiles. FIFY He knows his stuff but he's an abrasive asshole on the FAL Files. I'd find someone else just so someone like that learns humility or starves. |
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FIFY He knows his stuff but he's an abrasive asshole on the FAL Files. I'd find someone else just so someone like that learns humility or starves. Quoted:
Gunplumber (Mark Graham) has a long-running feud with gggiiillliiieee just about anyone who has an opinion that differs from his on FALfiles. FIFY He knows his stuff but he's an abrasive asshole on the FAL Files. I'd find someone else just so someone like that learns humility or starves. He's definitely an arrogant bastard. He's not the type that will sugarcoat bullshit and say it like it is. Some people get offended by that. Frankly does not bother me bacause 9/10 of the time, he's correct. But if you want quality you can trust, there's no better than Mark. |
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Quoted: FIFY He knows his stuff but he's an abrasive asshole on the FAL Files. I'd find someone else just so someone like that learns humility or starves. Quoted: Gunplumber (Mark Graham) has a long-running feud with gggiiillliiieee just about anyone who has an opinion that differs from his on FALfiles. FIFY He knows his stuff but he's an abrasive asshole on the FAL Files. I'd find someone else just so someone like that learns humility or starves. He can be a real pain, but do you want to mary him, or have him fix your FAL? |
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It was my annecdotal understand that the part of the gun that holds the magazine is what was considered the "firearm," ergo the differences between the FAL and the AR. Anyhoo, if you do shorted the barrel, you'll need to open up the gasport, but that's pretty easy. Just take your front sight post out and there ya go. I thought this was the case too, but the SCAR lower isn't considered the firearm.  ......I know.
Gunplumber is an arrogant guy, but he would probably be the best person for the job. |
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The part which becomes the gun seems (note that word) ATF intended it to be the part that holds the part that makes it a machine gun.
On an AR, that's the auto-sear and it goes in the lower. On an FAL that's the safety sear and that goes in the upper. I don't think that ATF was very consistent with their application of that MG part rule though. |
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