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Posted: 11/19/2013 8:32:22 PM EDT
| Ive got a bunch of .223 brass with primer pocketncrimps. What is the fastest way to fix this? |
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RCBS Crimp Remover
I have this screwed into an adapter that chucks into a drill press or power drill. Fly through crimps. |
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Either swage or ream.. The Dillon swage press is pricey but is great.. For me I use the RCBS primer pocket swager dies in my press I tried these dies. They did not swage it enough for a primer to seat normally. Plus it was extremely slow. I bought the Dillon 600 because all the fanboys say it is the only way to go. I am happy with it. I was able to do a few thousand cases in an afternoon. The primers seated with normal effort. My next purchase is a progressive press. I want to be able to load a thousand rounds quickly. Right now with my turret press there are so many steps it take a couple days just to prep cases. I am hoping with a progressive and a case feeder I can go from fired brass to loaded round in a short time. It looks like 2 passes through the press and I am in business. However saying has to be done off press unless I buy a Dillon 1050 which I can't justify the expense. |
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1/2 countersink bit from homedepot. $8. Chuck it in a drill and one blip of the trigger is all it takes. Trust me. Glad I didnt waste money on anything else. Look it up on youtube. This a thousand times over. I can do a cartrige every 2 seconds but instead of using a regular drill, us a drill press and just hold each one against it for about 2 rotations and done. |
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Quoted: This a thousand times over. I can do a cartrige every 2 seconds but instead of using a regular drill, us a drill press and just hold each one against it for about 2 rotations and done. Quoted: Quoted: 1/2 countersink bit from homedepot. $8. Chuck it in a drill and one blip of the trigger is all it takes. Trust me. Glad I didnt waste money on anything else. Look it up on youtube. This a thousand times over. I can do a cartrige every 2 seconds but instead of using a regular drill, us a drill press and just hold each one against it for about 2 rotations and done. |
| I don't bother anymore. I used to use the RCBS swaging tool and then I used a reamer, now I just prime and use the reamer on the occasional pocket that won't take a primer. I found that at least 9 out of 10 cases will accept the primer even if they had a crimp so it's a lot faster for me to just prime and deal with the problem cases as I find them. I use a Lee hand priming tool and a Lyman pocket reamer. |
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Quoted: RCBS Crimp Remover I have this screwed into an adapter that chucks into a drill press or power drill. Fly through crimps. any pointers on the drill adapter? I'll give this a try first |
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any pointers on the drill adapter? I'll give this a try first Quoted:
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RCBS Crimp Remover I have this screwed into an adapter that chucks into a drill press or power drill. Fly through crimps. any pointers on the drill adapter? I'll give this a try first Hit your local hardware store for IIRC a 8x32 coupler nut maybe 80¢ |
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Quoted: 1/2 countersink bit from homedepot. $8. Chuck it in a drill and one blip of the trigger is all it takes. Trust me. Glad I didnt waste money on anything else. Look it up on youtube. If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small |
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Quoted: Has the rcbs pocket primer die gave you any problems? Quoted: Quoted: Either swage or ream.. The Dillon swage press is pricey but is great.. For me I use the RCBS primer pocket swager dies in my press Has the rcbs pocket primer die gave you any problems? It works, but I think there are much better tools out there. One of RCBS's very few poor tools. IMHO |
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Quoted: This is the worst possible makeshift tool for removing primer crimp. Very easy to remove too much metal from the case head. If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small Quoted: If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small |
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If you are going to swage, I have tried the Dillon and the RCBS stand alone swaging tools, also the swaging dies. All three get the job done, but I like the RCBS bench swager the best.
But that is my opinion. I have swaged several thousand over the years and tried just about every way known to man and this forum. |
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Quoted: I'm glad you are here to point out our misguided thinking. Quoted: Quoted: If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small |
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Quoted: Not misguided thinking, just some people don't know all of the tools available. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small |
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Quoted: I'm not being a smartass.... I was talking about me. I read about the drill bit thing on the internet. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small  Just trying to not dog the poster with the countersink. |
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This is the worst possible makeshift tool for removing primer crimp. Very easy to remove too much metal from the case head. If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small Quoted:
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1/2 countersink bit from homedepot. $8. Chuck it in a drill and one blip of the trigger is all it takes. Trust me. Glad I didnt waste money on anything else. Look it up on youtube. If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small I use this tool and it works great. |
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It works, but I think there are much better tools out there. One of RCBS's very few poor tools. IMHO Quoted:
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Either swage or ream.. The Dillon swage press is pricey but is great.. For me I use the RCBS primer pocket swager dies in my press Has the rcbs pocket primer die gave you any problems? It works, but I think there are much better tools out there. One of RCBS's very few poor tools. IMHO +1 It works better than nothing, but is a little finicky with tightly crimped primers in my experience. |
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Or an rcbs swage. After " zeroing" mine in it works like a charm. I just did over a K in the last 2 evenings. Quoted:
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Buy a Dillion Super Swage 600. Or an rcbs swage. After " zeroing" mine in it works like a charm. I just did over a K in the last 2 evenings. Yup, I have been loving mine. One of my better investments in reloading. |
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A Super 1050 running on auto drive is by far the fastest and easiest . 
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/9937/a1upper057.jpg For now I'll settle with second best, manually pulling the handle on the 1050  the P/W is still waitting to see if it goes chain drive or not 
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I'm glad you are here to point out our misguided thinking. Quoted:
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If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small No, it is very simple to cut only the crimp off and nothing else. Primer pockets stay tighter longer using this method over others, my experience in 30 years of doing it. This is my humble opinion. |
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If you are going to swage, I have tried the Dillon and the RCBS stand alone swaging tools, also the swaging dies. All three get the job done, but I like the RCBS bench swager the best. But that is my opinion. I have swaged several thousand over the years and tried just about every way known to man and this forum. Just curious but why do you prefer the RCBS over the Dillon? I have been reaming them and am ready to get a swager. Thanks. |
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Just curious but why do you prefer the RCBS over the Dillon? I have been reaming them and am ready to get a swager. Thanks. Quoted:
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If you are going to swage, I have tried the Dillon and the RCBS stand alone swaging tools, also the swaging dies. All three get the job done, but I like the RCBS bench swager the best. But that is my opinion. I have swaged several thousand over the years and tried just about every way known to man and this forum. Just curious but why do you prefer the RCBS over the Dillon? I have been reaming them and am ready to get a swager. Thanks. Mainly it's ergonomics. The Dillon requires you to mount it to the edge of your bench and the handle you move to do the work is moved in a vertical plane which extends below the bench top surface, like a press would. The RCBS swage tool has no such mounting restrictions and the handle is moved in a horizontal plane, to and away from you. They both produce the same quality of results, if adjusted correctly. You do have to sort your brass by head stamp as both devices have to be adjusted to the cartridge web thickness. When I decided to try a faster swaging method, I purchased both the Dillon Super Swage 600 and the RCBS bench top swage tool. I set them both up and decided right away the RCBS was what I wanted. I sold the 600 for what I had in it to a friend, and he loves it. It's really a matter of preference. You really need to try both to decide. |
| Worst possible? Ok.. I suppose if you were completely brain dead and held the trigger back all day then yea, you'd remove too much material. Primer pockets are pretty deep when you look at them. You would literally have to be trying in order to mess it up. If you have 2 functioning brain cells, its more then adequate. I'm well aware of the tools available. Alot of people Im sure feel like me and do not want spend $100 on something that Im going to use once, then sit for years. I have other things Id rather spend $100 on... |
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Mainly it's ergonomics. The Dillon requires you to mount it to the edge of your bench and the handle you move to do the work is moved in a vertical plane which extends below the bench top surface, like a press would. The RCBS swage tool has no such mounting restrictions and the handle is moved in a horizontal plane, to and away from you. They both produce the same quality of results, if adjusted correctly. You do have to sort your brass by head stamp as both devices have to be adjusted to the cartridge web thickness. When I decided to try a faster swaging method, I purchased both the Dillon Super Swage 600 and the RCBS bench top swage tool. I set them both up and decided right away the RCBS was what I wanted. I sold the 600 for what I had in it to a friend, and he loves it. It's really a matter of preference. You really need to try both to decide. Quoted:
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If you are going to swage, I have tried the Dillon and the RCBS stand alone swaging tools, also the swaging dies. All three get the job done, but I like the RCBS bench swager the best. But that is my opinion. I have swaged several thousand over the years and tried just about every way known to man and this forum. Just curious but why do you prefer the RCBS over the Dillon? I have been reaming them and am ready to get a swager. Thanks. Mainly it's ergonomics. The Dillon requires you to mount it to the edge of your bench and the handle you move to do the work is moved in a vertical plane which extends below the bench top surface, like a press would. The RCBS swage tool has no such mounting restrictions and the handle is moved in a horizontal plane, to and away from you. They both produce the same quality of results, if adjusted correctly. You do have to sort your brass by head stamp as both devices have to be adjusted to the cartridge web thickness. When I decided to try a faster swaging method, I purchased both the Dillon Super Swage 600 and the RCBS bench top swage tool. I set them both up and decided right away the RCBS was what I wanted. I sold the 600 for what I had in it to a friend, and he loves it. It's really a matter of preference. You really need to try both to decide. Thanks for the input! I appreciate it and will have to consider that when I finally buy one here in the next few weeks. |
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Worst possible? Ok.. I suppose if you were completely brain dead and held the trigger back all day then yea, you'd remove too much material. Primer pockets are pretty deep when you look at them. You would literally have to be trying in order to mess it up. If you have 2 functioning brain cells, its more then adequate. I'm well aware of the tools available. Alot of people Im sure feel like me and do not want spend $100 on something that Im going to use once, then sit for years. I have other things Id rather spend $100 on... While you are actually correct, The c/s does do a great job for alot guys and has for years same as a pocket knife, know a few guys that still do it that way it works great for them but there are alot of brain dead reloaders out there as I've picked up brass that has been hogged out with a counter sink, so it's not a bad idea to steer people towards something like the Hornady reamer thats in the same cost range of a decent c/s. I'll take a Hornady reamer over a Dillon or rcbs swager any day , in fact I sold both and kept the reamer , I'll take the speed of using it as I want done ASAP |
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While you are actually correct, The c/s does do a great job for alot guys and has for years same as a pocket knife, know a few guys that still do it that way it works great for them but there are alot of brain dead reloaders out there as I've picked up brass that has been hogged out with a counter sink, so it's not a bad idea to steer people towards something like the Hornady reamer thats in the same cost range of a decent c/s. I'll take a Hornady reamer over a Dillon or rcbs swager any day , in fact I sold both and kept the reamer , I'll take the speed of using it as I want done ASAP Quoted:
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Worst possible? Ok.. I suppose if you were completely brain dead and held the trigger back all day then yea, you'd remove too much material. Primer pockets are pretty deep when you look at them. You would literally have to be trying in order to mess it up. If you have 2 functioning brain cells, its more then adequate. I'm well aware of the tools available. Alot of people Im sure feel like me and do not want spend $100 on something that Im going to use once, then sit for years. I have other things Id rather spend $100 on... While you are actually correct, The c/s does do a great job for alot guys and has for years same as a pocket knife, know a few guys that still do it that way it works great for them but there are alot of brain dead reloaders out there as I've picked up brass that has been hogged out with a counter sink, so it's not a bad idea to steer people towards something like the Hornady reamer thats in the same cost range of a decent c/s. I'll take a Hornady reamer over a Dillon or rcbs swager any day , in fact I sold both and kept the reamer , I'll take the speed of using it as I want done ASAP And here again it's a matter of preference as opposed to "better". Reaming can be faster than swaging but, in my opinion only, reaming is harder on the fingers. After a few hundred rounds my fingers get sore. Also, the reamers are a tool that needs replaced from time to time as they do get dull after a few thousand rounds. I have a reamer setup on a RCBS case prep station that I use from time to time, but not for large batches. YMMV. |
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Quoted: Worst possible? Ok.. I suppose if you were completely brain dead and held the trigger back all day then yea, you'd remove too much material. Primer pockets are pretty deep when you look at them. You would literally have to be trying in order to mess it up. If you have 2 functioning brain cells, its more then adequate. I'm well aware of the tools available. Alot of people Im sure feel like me and do not want spend $100 on something that Im going to use once, then sit for years. I have other things Id rather spend $100 on... We try to teach people the correct way to reload in this forum, not make shift. Now would be a good time to make sure you understand the way to post in this technical forum. From the COC, (code of conduct) you agreed to when you joined the site: SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS. The tech forums (Ar15,AK47,Handgun,Armory,Training,Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments,insulting others,etc won't be ignored. |
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This is the worst possible makeshift tool for removing primer crimp. Very easy to remove too much metal from the case head. If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small Quoted:
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1/2 countersink bit from homedepot. $8. Chuck it in a drill and one blip of the trigger is all it takes. Trust me. Glad I didnt waste money on anything else. Look it up on youtube. If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small With all due respect, using the countersink carefully is within the realm of possibility. I've been using a countersink since before Dillon was around and store bought reamers weren't on the market yet. As far as I know, the press mounted RCBS system was the only swager around and I wasn't impressed. If used carefully, the countersink does a fine job and it's fast and easy. I personally use a dull one to minimize the possibility of over cutting. All it takes is a touch and the crimp is gone. |
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He's saying the fastest...not the cheapest. I use the Dillon swager. Can't see a faster way. Like I said, the fastest is not to do it. Even with crimped pockets, most of them will fit a primer. Just clean and prime. If you run into a tight pocket, set it aside for swaging or reaming or ream it right away. |
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Fastest is best served by the end user. If you desire less uses of the case than other methods, it's there for you.
Removing the primer crimp is only needed to install a new primer. I've done it with a Phillips head screwdriver, just enough to re-prime. For large batches I like the Dillon, metronome like. |
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If you are going to ream, get a Hornady reamer with a positive stop. $9.19. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/253550/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-cutter-head-small This is what I use, I put it in a drill and zip tie the trigger. They do seem to wear out quickly and are tough on your fingers but it's fast and works well. |
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Deburring tool on a drill press, primer pockets, case mouth inside and outside. I was just going to post that, although I have not done it myself. If you have a possum hollow trimmer, they also sell a tool holder which chucks up in a drill. This tool holder will also securely hold a chamfering/deburring tool. Clamp your drill in a vise, hit the trigger lock or wrap a zip tie around the trigger and go to town! Supposedly there is a primer bar replacement for the Dillon 550 press that swages out the crimp. Then somebody is making a gadget for the Dillon 650 too. There is a video youtube of a guy using a spring to fling the brass off his Dillon 600 swager. Looks like it goes real fast. |
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