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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:06:01 AM EDT
| I shoot a lot of the Federal Bulk Pack 22lr ammo. Some of the boxes are 525 rounds and some like the ones at Walmart are 550 rounds. Aside from the boxes and the fact that there is 25 more rounds in one than the other are there any of differences? Personally I haven't noticed much difference, but then again I'm not that good of a shot anyway. |
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I've some issues with the boxes from Walmart, so I asked the guy at the counter if it was any different and he called the manager over. According to the manager, Walmart's is lower quality, and didn't know on any of the other calibers for Federal stuff.
I now buy the blue box with the burgundy stripes, rarely ever have issues. The Walmart variant was giving me a FTF or FTE every 10 rounds or so, on a clean gun with about 500 rounds down it. Tried again at 2,000 rounds and it was still bad, so that was when I went to ask Walmart about it. EDIT: Had the issues on a CMMG upper. They worked decent on my 10/22, but still did get more failures than compared to the stuff I get from the local gun shop and Cabelas. |
They're the same thing. Cabelas has a 325 pack that they advertise as being 37gr. but they are simply 36gr Federal Champion bulk just like the 525 boxes. Federal packages the same ammo in different boxes for different retailers. I learned that the hard way when I wasted $13 on the 325 pack when the 550's were on sale for $16... I wanted to try the "37gr" bullets in my finicky barreled 10/22, but I'm glad I only bit on one box. I would have been livid if I bought a case and found out I could have gotten a couple thousand more rounds for only a few more dollars.
Federal does the same thing with the Lightning line of rimfire ammunition as well. I will be sticking to the 500+ packed cases from now on, when they're on sale of course. I'll buy Federal bulk as well as CCI Blazer bulk without hesitation when its on sale. You can still get either one for about $14-16 a box if you look around and find the sales; 5250 rounds for $140-$160 is GTG for me! I've never had any problems with either of them in my plinkers (GSG 522SD, S&W 15-22, Ruger 22/45, Henery lever, etc...) They certainly aren't the most accurate in the world, but if your not looking to make dime size 10 shot groups from 50+, you won't notice. My 10/22's eat them up too, but my worked 10/22 likes Winchester Super X and Wolf Extra Match the best for accuracy. |
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I've some issues with the boxes from Walmart, so I asked the guy at the counter if it was any different and he called the manager over. According to the manager, Walmart's is lower quality, and didn't know on any of the other calibers for Federal stuff. I now buy the blue box with the burgundy stripes, rarely ever have issues. The Walmart variant was giving me a FTF or FTE every 10 rounds or so, on a clean gun with about 500 rounds down it. Tried again at 2,000 rounds and it was still bad, so that was when I went to ask Walmart about it. EDIT: Had the issues on a CMMG upper. They worked decent on my 10/22, but still did get more failures than compared to the stuff I get from the local gun shop and Cabelas. I seriously doubt the manager knows what he is talking about. First what does a local walmart manager know about corporate level dealings? Think about it do you think, federal would do a seperate run just for walmart using cheaper what? powder? bullets? cases? Or do you think the better reason is walmarts the largest retailer in the US just bulks in such bulk they can get it at a good price and ask for a walmart only package? Walmart and target does it for toys why not ammo. |
| The products that Walmart sells are not a sub standard product even though the myths about this have been out for years, the reason the prices are cheap at Walmart it because Walmart states the price they will pay, and the buy a shit load of it. You can make a $.005 a round when Walmart comes in and buys hundreds of millions if not billions of rounds. A friend of mine works in a paint factory where the make paint for numerous paint brands including Walmart, when it's time to make Walmart they simply change the label, and continue, same paint, same product. I have friends in other industries that also sell to Walmart they all tell me the same thing they just change the label for Walmart. It would be way to expensive to retool or change mid production, its way cheaper to leave the same components. Not to mention what would happen if the so called Walmart product got into a order for some one else, if it was substandard. |
| In my experience the Federal is junk, my 10/22 wont hardly cycle them at all, FTE's almost 90% of the time. I run the Remington bulk pack and have had good experiences with that, theres a FTF every now and then but its a $175 gun running ammo that costs a few cents. To me it seems like the Remington has more power, I mix load them in mags and I can feel a difference when the Remington ones are fired, and whenever theres a FTE is always a federal brass caught up. |
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In my experience the Federal is junk, my 10/22 wont hardly cycle them at all, FTE's almost 90% of the time. I run the Remington bulk pack and have had good experiences with that, theres a FTF every now and then but its a $175 gun running ammo that costs a few cents. To me it seems like the Remington has more power, I mix load them in mags and I can feel a difference when the Remington ones are fired, and whenever theres a FTE is always a federal brass caught up. If your getting a 90% failure rate with ANY ammunition, the problem is very likely with the gun and not the ammo. With bulk ammo, it's always possible to get a bad lot, but I've never heard of anyone getting a 9 out of 10 round failure rate, even in bad lots. I have about 10k rounds of Federal bulk and have fired probably another 10k rounds this year alone; I haven't had more than 10 failures total, in all my guns. Oddly enough the bulk ammo that gets the most failure and function complaints of any bulk ammo sold (Remmington Golden Bullet) is the one that works the best in your 10/22... I guess that goes to show just how picky some rimfire guns can be. |
| Kind of interesting as this is similar to a question I have with Federal 22 ammo after shooting some over the weekend. Several years ago I picked up two small boxes of Federal Game-Shok 40g ammo marked #710. I got a new 1022 and finally got to shoot it this weekend with some various ammo I had also purchased. This Federal ammo actually shot very well so I was looking online to see about ordering some. I found 2 different Federal Game-Shok 40g ammos with the exact same description and ballistic info but one is almost twice as much in price. One is packaged as #710 and the other is #810. Only thing I could find in doing a search online is one person stated that the #710 is actually 810 that failed to meet the quality standards. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Just curious why the big difference in price for what appears to be the exact same ammo. |
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Kind of interesting as this is similar to a question I have with Federal 22 ammo after shooting some over the weekend. Several years ago I picked up two small boxes of Federal Game-Shok 40g ammo marked #710. I got a new 1022 and finally got to shoot it this weekend with some various ammo I had also purchased. This Federal ammo actually shot very well so I was looking online to see about ordering some. I found 2 different Federal Game-Shok 40g ammos with the exact same description and ballistic info but one is almost twice as much in price. One is packaged as #710 and the other is #810. Only thing I could find in doing a search online is one person stated that the #710 is actually 810 that failed to meet the quality standards. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Just curious why the big difference in price for what appears to be the exact same ammo. The price difference is because the #710 is a 50 round box, the #810 is a 100 round slide top box. That's the only difference in part numbers, otherwise its identicle ammo. The person that told you otherwise is either a liar that made some shit up to sound smart (I know, that NEVER happens on the internet...) or very missinformed. |
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Kind of interesting as this is similar to a question I have with Federal 22 ammo after shooting some over the weekend. Several years ago I picked up two small boxes of Federal Game-Shok 40g ammo marked #710. I got a new 1022 and finally got to shoot it this weekend with some various ammo I had also purchased. This Federal ammo actually shot very well so I was looking online to see about ordering some. I found 2 different Federal Game-Shok 40g ammos with the exact same description and ballistic info but one is almost twice as much in price. One is packaged as #710 and the other is #810. Only thing I could find in doing a search online is one person stated that the #710 is actually 810 that failed to meet the quality standards. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Just curious why the big difference in price for what appears to be the exact same ammo. The price difference is because the #710 is a 50 round box, the #810 is a 100 round slide top box. That's the only difference in part numbers, otherwise its identicle ammo. The person that told you otherwise is either a liar that made some shit up to sound smart (I know, that NEVER happens on the internet...) or very missinformed. Strange as one site I looked at showed them both as 50 round packs. But now searching another site I see the 810 is as you say. As for the explanation of 710 vs 810 being a quality difference, that was found on an online forum in a Google search. Never found anything on quantity of rounds being the difference. And that is why I asked here, to get an explanation from the experts 
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LOL, I'm no expert, but I'm sure there are plenty here... But yeah, the 810 is the same ammo, just in the plastic slide top box rather than the cardboard 50 count box (the 710). I have a couple boxes of 810's and I haven't been very happy with the accuracy out of my accurized rifles. It's ok out of plinkers and tactical type rifles, but for the money, I'd rather go with a cheaper round for plinking (like the Champion or CCI Blazer).
It's a real PIA what Federal does with some of there ammo because there's no much explination on their site either. They have so many different packages for the same ammo its crazy. |
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In my experience the Federal is junk, my 10/22 wont hardly cycle them at all, FTE's almost 90% of the time. I run the Remington bulk pack and have had good experiences with that, theres a FTF every now and then but its a $175 gun running ammo that costs a few cents. To me it seems like the Remington has more power, I mix load them in mags and I can feel a difference when the Remington ones are fired, and whenever theres a FTE is always a federal brass caught up. What kind of mags are you using? I had all kinds of problems using Butler Creek 25 round mags but with the Ruger 10 rounders I can't find any ammo that won't work. |
| Im using butler creek mags, but with the Remington gold bullet I might have had a couple problems in the past few thousand rounds, but with the Federal I was having a lot of problems. Ill go out again tomorrow and maybe eliminate it down to maybe one of the mags being the problem. But as of right now, I wont be purchasing any more Federal packs. I loaded 5 Remington, 5 federal, 5 Remington, 5 federal, 5 Remington into one mag and I could feel and hear the difference between the two rounds, the remington seemed plenty hotter to me. I have used this ammo a lot and have been surprisingly accurate with it. |
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I stopped shooting the 550 round bulk packs. The last one had 100 or so duds, due to unprimed cases or cases where the priming compound had come out of the rim.
Now I shoot lots of the Federal Automatch and haven't had a single problem, plus it's far more accurate than the Champion or the 550 round bulk packs. |
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Well I just ran 100 rounds of federal through my 10/22 and didnt have 1 problem, I must have just had a mag full of bad ones last time. See, I'm tellin you, if you can get it cheap don't think twice. On the other hand, Dunn's Sporting Goods has CCI Blazer on sale for $12.99 per 500! STOCK UP! It's listed as a Christmas Special but they also have a sale on "by the case" CCI Blazer, 5000 for $165 with free shipping. You get a better deal with the $12.99 deal plus shipping by a few bucks, but I don't know how much longer that will be going on. Even $16 per 500 is a great deal though and I've had just as good a time with Blazer as I have with Federal bulk (meaning no failures at all so far). |
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Well I just ran 100 rounds of federal through my 10/22 and didnt have 1 problem, I must have just had a mag full of bad ones last time. See, I'm tellin you, if you can get it cheap don't think twice. On the other hand, Dunn's Sporting Goods has CCI Blazer on sale for $12.99 per 500! STOCK UP! It's listed as a Christmas Special but they also have a sale on "by the case" CCI Blazer, 5000 for $165 with free shipping. You get a better deal with the $12.99 deal plus shipping by a few bucks, but I don't know how much longer that will be going on. Even $16 per 500 is a great deal though and I've had just as good a time with Blazer as I have with Federal bulk (meaning no failures at all so far). I prefer Blazer to the Fed Bulk, thanks for the FYI. |
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Is the Blazer stuff any good? That deal for 5,000 looks pretty good if the ammo is worth a shit. I buy it every time it goes on sale, I probably have about 20k rounds of it... It's great plinking ammo, probably would work great for hunting too as fast as it is, but it's not going to give you the tightest groups. I'd say it's on par or maybe slightly better than the Federal bulk that I've used. Again, I love Federal Bulk and have had zero problems with it. |
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