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Posted: 8/3/2013 1:05:25 PM EDT
| I had a round that I fired today that I believe had a double charge it destroyed my pistol. This was the first shot out of several hundred that were all loaded at the same time. My question is instead of pulling down all of those rounds would I be able to weigh each one and find out if anymore are double charged? I weighed some and I am coming up with weights ranging from 320 gn to 325, these are .45 ACP rounds with a 5.0 gn of Bullseye 230 gn plated round nose bullets. |
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Out of curiosity, is it possible to even double charge a round with the powder being used? Wasn't an OOB or case failure by chance?
I usually pick a bulky slow powder so if I ever did double charge it'd be over flowing and cause a mess. (It's happened more than once and glad it has) |
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Out of curiosity, is it possible to even double charge a round with the powder being used? Wasn't an OOB or case failure by chance? .45ACP with Bullseye? Absolutely.... you could probably quadruple-charge, and still seat a bullet. Weighing them will not produce accurate results... cases can vary in weight by several grains, and with a powder weight of only 5 grains, there's just too much variation to be sure. You have to pull them. |
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.45ACP with Bullseye? Absolutely.... you could probably quadruple-charge, and still seat a bullet. Weighing them will not produce accurate results... cases can vary in weight by several grains, and with a powder weight of only 5 grains, there's just too much variation to be sure. You have to pull them. Quoted:
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Out of curiosity, is it possible to even double charge a round with the powder being used? Wasn't an OOB or case failure by chance? .45ACP with Bullseye? Absolutely.... you could probably quadruple-charge, and still seat a bullet. Weighing them will not produce accurate results... cases can vary in weight by several grains, and with a powder weight of only 5 grains, there's just too much variation to be sure. You have to pull them. Gotcha. I haven't used bullseye in a very long time. Quoted:
Here are the pics tell me what you think.... http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff440/BCM45/Picture339.jpg]http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff440/BCM45/Picture339.jpg ETA: just pulled a couple of the bullets these I loaded with 5.0gn of universal not bullseye. Wow, glad you're alright and still have all your fingers. |
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Wow, you are very lucky to get out without injury. Huge lesson learned with only the cost of the pistol. Glocks are very tough and one thing about them, they will often protect the shooter in situations like this.
5 gr of Universal would not have been an overcharge, but could have been double charged. It is very easy to double charge many types of pistol powders if not following procedures properly. (Bullseye is an excellent powder). Never allow any distractions while reloading. If you break concentration, go back carefully and know where you are in the process. Backtrack, even if you have to break down a bunch of rounds you are unsure of, its better than what happened here. If loading on a single stage press, ALWAYS take the charged cases that should be in a loading block, prior to bullet seating, view them under a bright light in a visual safety check to see that they all have the same powder levels and the correct powder levels. (This is a final safety check, after other procedures like making sure the powder measure is correct, correct powder in the meausre, and weighing charges etc.) Label the powder measure with wax pencil each time you change powders, or some other process to ensure you track what you are using. Weighing loaded rounds for powder charge is not reliable. As stated, pull the bullets, and we can all be thankful you were not injured! |
Link Factory ammo broke this glock.  Best to pull the Bullets, smart choice.
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Glad you're OK, and yes, again, you need to pull all of them.
You need to incorporate a visual check for powder into your reloading procedure. Whether you're using a single stage or progressive press, LOOK INTO EVERY CASE. It only takes a second longer to look in there and confirm that you have powder and it's the right amount. I had 2 squibs in the 1st 100 rnds I made. I figured out the problem, fixed it, and I now look in every case. Haven't had a squib since. Everybody I teach how to reload probably gets sick of hearing me ask ''Are you looking in every case ?'', yet, none of them have had any problems with their reloads, and I'm happy about that. |
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you might have to weigh them, the variance in brass and projectile weight combined may make and set of 2 weigh 5 grains more or less than another set of 2, even if both cases had the same powder charge. Like mentioned above change the reloading procedure, if you have a Dillon 650 or another progressive use a powder checker or powder cop die. If not, use a powder that uses 50% or more of the case volume, a double charge would then use 100% or more of the case volume and a double charge would be obvious to spot |
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Pull all of the bullets. that's the only way you will know for sure.
Was only the barrel damaged? Consider sending the gun back to Glock for repairs. they won't cover it under warranty because reloads are not covered, but they will examine everything and give you a fair estimate to replace any damaged parts. |
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Quoted: Glad you're OK, and yes, again, you need to pull all of them. You need to incorporate a visual check for powder into your reloading procedure. Whether you're using a single stage or progressive press, LOOK INTO EVERY CASE. It only takes a second longer to look in there and confirm that you have powder and it's the right amount. I had 2 squibs in the 1st 100 rnds I made. I figured out the problem, fixed it, and I now look in every case. Haven't had a squib since. Everybody I teach how to reload probably gets sick of hearing me ask ''Are you looking in every case ?'', yet, none of them have had any problems with their reloads, and I'm happy about that. This part of reloading has made the difference to me in doubling or squibbing a round. I had a squib in my first 100 too. Learned a lesson that day, that its much faster to check all the rounds before putting a head on them, than it is to pull and seperate all the components. |
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Ouch! well yeah you have to pour in the right powder to start of course but my loading technique relies on a visual inspection of the powder level in the case;
1. Dillon 550, I watch the primer shuttle the primer and watch to see that it's oriented correctly, I watch the powder bar activate, i look down inside the powder filled case before indexing. Blindly letting the progressive go is foolhardy in my opinion. 2. single stage loading is one of two methods; a. fill one cartridge at time and seat bullet after inspecting powder throw (weighing all charges with stick powders) b. fill the entire loading block (still weighing all stick powder charges) and lean right over the top of the block with a flashlight and visually inspect the powder level in every single case in the block 3 times, I scan across rows, then all the columns, than again by row. Yes I catch a few empties where I moved the funnel twice. I've only loaded 1 cartridge accidentally with no powder. It was a 77 grain Nosler match crimped into the cannalure. The primer did not cause the bullet to break the crimp. Only upon pullling the bullet and seeing the sooty ass of the bullet did I confirm it was a no powder situation. haste makes waste. Note with muffs on there was no detectable clue that the round wasn't a complete dud; i did not hear that primer light off. Always be ready to inspect the bore for obstructions. I do like the concept of using bulkier powders to make it obvious that you double charged. unfortunately I often have better accuracy with things like bullseye and 231. i will purposely double charge a case in my dillon just to see what it looks like for when i scan. It helps to know what you're looking for (and don't forget to dump that F'r back into the measure) 
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