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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - First SCAR on Gunbroker (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/3/2009 6:22:57 PM EDT
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The auction says FN guarantees delivery by the 15th. I went ahead and bid on it just to say I bid on it. Currently the high bidder at $1825. The reserve hasn't even been met at that price.
I can't afford that, by any means. But this is kind of like the time I bid on a Ferrari F50 on eBay for $25,000. GunBroker SCAR Auction It'll be interesting to see how crazy high it goes for... |
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I still find it crazy that no one even has a photo of a semi version available yet. There are plenty of pictures of the 16s floating around in December issue magazines. For starters... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/12/03/civilian-fn-scar-16s-pricing/ |
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My dealer told me $2200.00 I have handled a few SCARS when the FN Rep. was at the shop a while ago. Their OKAY. There are a few things I didn't care for, hence my interest in the now defunct ACR. If you can buy one for $2200 (BEFORE tax and transfer), your dealer is only making about $75. It would be worth it for you to buy it ASAP and get it up on gunbroker in order to profit. |
| That's before tax. No transfer fee as they are a full FN stocking dealer. They may have gotten their SCARS already. I was told two weeks ago that they were expecting them in a weeks time, but those were pre-sold to existing customers. When I asked the price, I was told $2200.00 Don't know when more are coming in. |
| I had a chance to handle one at a FNH dealer sale and it was different but i did see any real advantages over the basic Colt M4. Just a different design with a whole bunch of tan plastic which might pull a 2 k price tag if they were lucky with the same marketing hype they pulled with the PS90. If Magpul/BM can pull their version out first with a real price tag FN may have concern on the domestic market. |
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If Magpul/BM can pull their version out first with a real price tag FN may have concern on the domestic market. I thought the ACR is vaporware until further notice due to the M4 replacement BS? Has something changed? FN will sell as many as they can make until then and if the crazy people willing to pay whatever for them. Bushmaster/Magpul better pray they win a contract else no one will buy the ACR in 2010 or later. I think some people may agree that if both become available at the same price or close might as well go with FN since they seem to be able to deliver. I hope they win with the SCAR. |
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What new weapon in the last 2 years has had a price tag of less than $1500.
Does anyone have any clue as to what years of R&D, tooling, molds, importing etc. cost anymore. Appearantly some of you think it should cost nothing. The AR-15 has been around for decaeds and lots of its parts are shared by just about all AR manufacturers, that should mean that even a Colt 6920 should really only cost you about $500...at the most. Everybody knows that the first new models of any weapon to hit the streets will go for nearly double MSRP. Some guys are willing to pay it. I remember the first SIG556 I saw at a gunshow...the tag said $2600. It sold in 20 minutes. Complaining about the high cost of the SCAR or any new weapon makes about as much sense as holding your breath for the ACR to arrive. |
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What new weapon in the last 2 years has had a price tag of less than $1500. Does anyone have any clue as to what years of R&D, tooling, molds, importing etc. cost anymore. Appearantly some of you think it should cost nothing. Well, in all fairness though, this gun was designed ground up for military contracts - it ain't as though the small civilian market segment should pay the full ride! At Shot Show East the FN rep told me to expect MSRP at about $2200....... |
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What new weapon in the last 2 years has had a price tag of less than $1500. Does anyone have any clue as to what years of R&D, tooling, molds, importing etc. cost anymore. Appearantly some of you think it should cost nothing. Well, in all fairness though, this gun was designed ground up for military contracts - it ain't as though the small civilian market segment should pay the full ride! At Shot Show East the FN rep told me to expect MSRP at about $2200....... Yeah but I haven't heard that they actually won a contract. But I could be wrong as I don't always keep up with that stuff. I think right now the civie market is going to bear the brunt of the SCAR development costs. I don't like it either but I understand. |
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They can charge whatever they want for it. I don't have a problem with the price, since I'll simply wait for the price to come down and if it doesn't I can think of 3-4 other guns I'd be happy with (that's 4 for the price of the 1).
I do have an issue with this listing through, or rather people that are bidding on it (nuts): 1. The auctioner is pandering: "You will NOT have another chance at this rifle." Really? I bet I do! 2. THE RIFLE ISN'T EVEN IN STOCK! How stupid to post an auction on a promise that one is coming - and even stupider to bid on it. |
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its not in stiock.....but this one is :)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120085440 |
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Buyer beware! Call FN & get prices on replacement parts B4 you commit! FN will NOT sell any. I have tried and tried, and tried for the FNP9MM, and PS90. I was repeatedly told NO for almost a year of asking. I would email, and call, and was told that FN will not sell spare parts. If something is broken, return to the factory for repair. This is the reason I dumped the pistols and the PS90, and didn't go for a FS2000. |
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Buyer beware! Call FN & get prices on replacement parts B4 you commit! FN will NOT sell any. I have tried and tried, and tried for the FNP9MM, and PS90. I was repeatedly told NO for almost a year of asking. I would email, and call, and was told that FN will not sell spare parts. If something is broken, return to the factory for repair. This is the reason I dumped the pistols and the PS90, and didn't go for a FS2000. What parts have you guys needed that they would not sell? |
| For operational design and looks and really think is hard to beat he FS 2000 in the standard scope version, FN has a winner here and i am vary content with the gun. I can easily afford the SCAR but i really do not see the advantages to the system, a over kill of plastic from its stock, plastic lower and whimpy BUIS package reminded me of some parent tell you eat this, its good for you bullshit and with a price tag of 2.5 k the medicine is really going to sting your ass. My dealer was asking buyers to place a 100.00 down last year on a pre order thing he had set up with FNH sale reps and after the ZFN guys completed take down of the SCAR's modular design to influence more customers to drop a C note i just looked at the gun and said looks like air soft to me and could break real easy with its fancy snap on design. I dont Colt or the rest of the AR market has mush to worry about, i see of lot of potential issues with the gun and i will stay with M4 and the FS |
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Buyer beware! Call FN & get prices on replacement parts B4 you commit! FN will NOT sell any. I have tried and tried, and tried for the FNP9MM, and PS90. I was repeatedly told NO for almost a year of asking. I would email, and call, and was told that FN will not sell spare parts. If something is broken, return to the factory for repair. This is the reason I dumped the pistols and the PS90, and didn't go for a FS2000. What parts have you guys needed that they would not sell? I have not broke my FS. I am kind of a survivalist about my guns. Every gun I have I like to be able to repair & maintain myself w/o having to send it off to some factory & then be w/o it for two weeks. I have a bunch of repair parts for common wear items. I called up FS to order some field repair parts, like a bolt assembly etc. THey money they wanted for that stuff was out of this world. I think they wanted over $400 for the bolt assembly (not the whole BCG)! THey were willing to sell some parts to me, but not others. THey said that they were afraid that people would convert the gun to full auto & they it would get black listed as readily convertible or something. IT was basically cheaper to buy a whole other gun than a field repair kit. I means FP, action spring, bolt, cam pin, extractor etc, charging handle parts. If you are a well heeled collector who likes nice fancy toys that must be factory maintained then go for it. THey are more than just toys in terms of quality. |
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Buyer beware! Call FN & get prices on replacement parts B4 you commit! FN will NOT sell any. I have tried and tried, and tried for the FNP9MM, and PS90. I was repeatedly told NO for almost a year of asking. I would email, and call, and was told that FN will not sell spare parts. If something is broken, return to the factory for repair. This is the reason I dumped the pistols and the PS90, and didn't go for a FS2000. What parts have you guys needed that they would not sell? They wouldn't sell me anything. Not a spring, extractor, firing pin, recoil spring, nothing. They said if I had a problem with any of my FN guns, to send them in for repair. I no longer own any FNP pistols, nor the PS90. I see the SCAR more of an investment item, but not for SHTF purposes, since the rifles cannot be repaired, unless shipped back to the factory. |
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Buyer beware! Call FN & get prices on replacement parts B4 you commit! FN will NOT sell any. I have tried and tried, and tried for the FNP9MM, and PS90. I was repeatedly told NO for almost a year of asking. I would email, and call, and was told that FN will not sell spare parts. If something is broken, return to the factory for repair. This is the reason I dumped the pistols and the PS90, and didn't go for a FS2000. What parts have you guys needed that they would not sell? I have not broke my FS. I am kind of a survivalist about my guns. Every gun I have I like to be able to repair & maintain myself w/o having to send it off to some factory & then be w/o it for two weeks. I have a bunch of repair parts for common wear items. I called up FS to order some field repair parts, like a bolt assembly etc. THey money they wanted for that stuff was out of this world. I think they wanted over $400 for the bolt assembly (not the whole BCG)! THey were willing to sell some parts to me, but not others. THey said that they were afraid that people would convert the gun to full auto & they it would get black listed as readily convertible or something. IT was basically cheaper to buy a whole other gun than a field repair kit. I means FP, action spring, bolt, cam pin, extractor etc, charging handle parts. If you are a well heeled collector who likes nice fancy toys that must be factory maintained then go for it. THey are more than just toys in terms of quality. A little conflicting info here guys. One guy says FN won't sell spare parts at all but the other guy says they'll sell you some parts but are asking too much money? I'll worry about my FS2000 should it ever break a part and maybe need to go back to FN but honestly I can sleep at night without worrying about SHTFantasy scenarios where my extractor or cam pin go bad in a firefight. |
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Sugg. Retail Price: $2,993.53 Just out of curiosity, when did they bump the price up? The distributor MSRP, advertised by FNH, was and has been $2696.56. I don't doubt they raised it at all, just wondering when that happened. I don't know when, but that is the retail price listed at Davidison's. |
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Sugg. Retail Price: $2,993.53 Just out of curiosity, when did they bump the price up? The distributor MSRP, advertised by FNH, was and has been $2696.56. I don't doubt they raised it at all, just wondering when that happened. I don't know when, but that is the retail price listed at Davidison's. Tell them to stop making up their own MSRP. Inform them that the MANUFACTURER suggested retail price is $2696.56. 
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Tell them to stop making up their own MSRP. Inform them that the MANUFACTURER suggested retail price is $2696.56.  Do you have a link for that MSRP? No, it was through an old email from FN. My dealer told me the same thing though. However, FN doesn't set official dealer pricing. If that makes any kind of sense. 
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I gave you Davidson's number. You didn't like it and gave your number from many moons ago. So, until someone posts something current from a different source, Davidson's number is the most recent and accurate. I gave you the number from my dealer...from last week. 
It's the same that has been floating around everywhere else, ironic??? Either way, I still paid under MSRP...out the door. Now if only it would show. 
BTW, your local dealer might be raping people by advertising that as MSRP. I can tell you for a fact what the distributor to dealer price is... |
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Davidson's is a national distributor. And that means that they get to falsely advertise an MSRP? I just don't see the correlation, that's all. It's their business, they can sell them for what they want, just like people can pay whatever they want. I just don't see it being ethically right to advertise the false MSRP to drive up the sale price. |
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Post your email that shows MSRP. That email would be nearly 2 months old, and if I saved 1/50th of my email, it would be on page 10,484,894.
Now refer to my previous post. Really, it's no biggie. It's just interesting that some MSRP (that may or may not even exist, especially from FN's viewpoint, which is all that matters) would go up in price, yet the dealers actual price remains the same. |
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Buyer beware! Call FN & get prices on replacement parts B4 you commit! FN will NOT sell any. I have tried and tried, and tried for the FNP9MM, and PS90. I was repeatedly told NO for almost a year of asking. I would email, and call, and was told that FN will not sell spare parts. If something is broken, return to the factory for repair. This is the reason I dumped the pistols and the PS90, and didn't go for a FS2000. What parts have you guys needed that they would not sell? I have not broke my FS. I am kind of a survivalist about my guns. Every gun I have I like to be able to repair & maintain myself w/o having to send it off to some factory & then be w/o it for two weeks. I have a bunch of repair parts for common wear items. I called up FS to order some field repair parts, like a bolt assembly etc. THey money they wanted for that stuff was out of this world. I think they wanted over $400 for the bolt assembly (not the whole BCG)! THey were willing to sell some parts to me, but not others. THey said that they were afraid that people would convert the gun to full auto & they it would get black listed as readily convertible or something. IT was basically cheaper to buy a whole other gun than a field repair kit. I means FP, action spring, bolt, cam pin, extractor etc, charging handle parts. If you are a well heeled collector who likes nice fancy toys that must be factory maintained then go for it. THey are more than just toys in terms of quality. A little conflicting info here guys. One guy says FN won't sell spare parts at all but the other guy says they'll sell you some parts but are asking too much money? I'll worry about my FS2000 should it ever break a part and maybe need to go back to FN but honestly I can sleep at night without worrying about SHTFantasy scenarios where my extractor or cam pin go bad in a firefight. I tried for a year. The answer was always the same. Personally, I have spares for all my guns. As far as SHTF scenarios, I don't know. But if something ever did occure, and if my weapon failed, at least I'd be able to get it back into operating condition without worry. With that being said, someone posted a link in GD a while back for a new AWBan legislation (I think it was for 2008. Didn't go anywhere....yet) that included parts. I don't recall all the details, but if another AWBan comes to pass, and it included repair parts, it could be a real spoiler. If FN ever decided to sell parts, I'll buy a SCAR. |
| Not to rain on anybody's parade, but all of this "I got mine for ....." talk is kinda of premature. The only people who can say that is the one's who actually have a SCAR in hand. A dealer can say he will sell you a firearms for X amount of dollars but it really isn't 'sold' to anyone until you have a paid-in-full receipt with the firearms serial number and your name on it. The MSRP of $2695 has been floating around for a little while, however I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually higher than that, esp considering that the currently released SCARS are limited production rifles not the standard production SCARS that are due to be released later. |
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Not to rain on anybody's parade, but all of this "I got mine for ....." talk is kinda of premature. A dealer can say he will sell you a firearms of X amount of dollars but it really isn't 'sold' to anyone until you have a paid-in-full receipt with the firearms serial number and your name on it. The MSRP of $2695 has been floating around for a little while, however I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually higher than that, esp considering that the currently released SCARS are limited production rifles not the standard production SCARS that are due to be released later. You're right, to a point. The SCAR was an allocated item for most dealers, and either they could order them, or could not. For people like me who actually have our receipts (MINUS the number, which makes you right to a point, and obviously they didn't have the serial number to include it), and had their dealer place the order, it's a bit less of a concern. And while the MSRP MIGHT be higher (if there is an actually MSRP right now), the dealer/distributor pricing is not. It's easy enough for most of us to be able to look at the actual dealer price. What the dealer sells it for beyond that, is up to him. |
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Not to rain on anybody's parade, but all of this "I got mine for ....." talk is kinda of premature. A dealer can say he will sell you a firearms of X amount of dollars but it really isn't 'sold' to anyone until you have a paid-in-full receipt with the firearms serial number and your name on it. The MSRP of $2695 has been floating around for a little while, however I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually higher than that, esp considering that the currently released SCARS are limited production rifles not the standard production SCARS that are due to be released later. You're right, to a point. The SCAR was an allocated item for most dealers, and either they could order them, or could not. For people like me who actually have our paid in full receipts (MINUS the number, which makes you right to a point, and obviously they didn't have the serial number to include it), and had their dealer place the order, it's a bit less of a concern. And while the MSRP MIGHT be higher (if there is an actually MSRP right now), the dealer/distributor pricing is not. It's easy enough for most of us to be able to look at the actual dealer price. What the dealer sells it for beyond that, is up to him. Not to sound argumentative, but did you place your order within the last few days? The few dealers who have been receiving them in the last couple of days that I have spoken with did not even know they were getting them nor how much their actual dealer cost was. The distributors were also in the dark since they hadn't received a actual price from FN. A local dealer who had one (I saw it) said that he wasn't even aware of how much his cost was at the time (Saturday). He couldn't price it until Monday. If the msrp was set months ago, it could of very well changed by now. On a side note, the SCAR I viewed on Saturday is already sold, and the dealer didn't sell it @ auction. It sold for around $3000. |
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Not to rain on anybody's parade, but all of this "I got mine for ....." talk is kinda of premature. A dealer can say he will sell you a firearms of X amount of dollars but it really isn't 'sold' to anyone until you have a paid-in-full receipt with the firearms serial number and your name on it. The MSRP of $2695 has been floating around for a little while, however I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually higher than that, esp considering that the currently released SCARS are limited production rifles not the standard production SCARS that are due to be released later. You're right, to a point. The SCAR was an allocated item for most dealers, and either they could order them, or could not. For people like me who actually have our paid in full receipts (MINUS the number, which makes you right to a point, and obviously they didn't have the serial number to include it), and had their dealer place the order, it's a bit less of a concern. And while the MSRP MIGHT be higher (if there is an actually MSRP right now), the dealer/distributor pricing is not. It's easy enough for most of us to be able to look at the actual dealer price. What the dealer sells it for beyond that, is up to him. Not to sound argumentative, but did you place your order within the last few days? The few dealers who have been receiving them in the last couple of days that I have spoken with did not even know they were getting them nor how much their actual dealer cost was. The distributors were also in the dark since they hadn't received a actual price from FN. A local dealer who had one (I saw it) said that he wasn't even aware of how much his cost was at the time (Saturday). He couldn't price it until Monday. If the msrp was set months ago, it could of very well changed by now. On a side note, the SCAR I viewed on Saturday is already sold, and the dealer didn't sell it @ auction. It sold for around $3000. If your dealer couldn't get a price, then they probably can't get a SCAR, or they are lying (or it was received through part of the FN stocking dealer program that they are rumored to have, in which they will still be able to get a price). The distributor/dealer pricing is well known if you read these threads (and it's the same as it was 2 months ago, check the other SCAR thread on this subforum). Your local dealer was giving you a sob story so that he could decide what to (OVER)charge for the rifle. My order was placed the first day that they showed up on the distributor listing, which was back in early/mid November. At least I hope that the distributor AND my dealer wouldn't lie to me, but hey, worse things have happened. 
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This one on GB is over $5,000.00 at the moment.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120173823 |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - First SCAR on Gunbroker (Page 1 of 2)
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