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9/21/2015 10:35:02 PM EDT
What do you consider 1st tier guns - HK, Sig, FN, Glock?

Would Ruger be considered 2nd tier or 1st tier?

I'm asking because I see guns like Canik, Tristar, Bersa you know Turkish/Latin/Filipino guns that are giving the big names a run for their money. I guess these would be 3rd tier guns?

9/22/2015 12:06:23 AM EDT
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I think it depends on the model of the weapon in some cases and can't always be based solely on the manufacturers name.
9/22/2015 12:08:44 AM EDT
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It also depends on the intended use of the weapon. Tier one hunting rifle or tier one battle rifle? Tier one target pistol or tier one home defense pistol? Tier one hunting shotgun or tier one safe queen collectors item shotgun?
9/22/2015 9:40:17 AM EDT
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Tier level arguments are internet purse swinging.
9/22/2015 11:07:36 AM EDT
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this.
9/22/2015 6:23:49 PM EDT
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Agree.  Useless.  And some manufacturers (perhaps most) have multiple levels of quality, and periods in which quality was higher or lower.  You can't just go by manufacturer.  

A Winchester Model 12 pump shotgun might be this hypothetical "tier 1" while its later replacement Model 1200 would be "tier 3", at best.

Sticking with Winchester, for a moment, a pre '64 Model 70 is held in much higher regard than those made in the transition period, like in '68-69.

There are no tiers.

9/24/2015 7:48:59 AM EDT
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I always thought the tier levels only applied to what levels an operator operates at operationally.
9/24/2015 10:49:56 AM EDT
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Also applies to wedding cakes. I know for a fact that the lower tiers are not as good as the upper tiers.
9/24/2015 10:58:29 AM EDT
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ETA: IBTM
9/24/2015 11:00:57 AM EDT
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Great point. I love old S&W revolvers but never really trusted their semi-auto pistols.

Love the 10-22, but not a fan of Ruger's semi-auto pistols.

H&K? Pretty much everything they make. (Although others consider them over priced and engineered.)
9/24/2015 11:07:54 AM EDT
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Third PNI. This is a pointless thread.
9/24/2015 7:46:00 PM EDT
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there is no such thing

if quality really mattered tier 1 would be pre lock S&W, pre 64 Winchesters steel walthers  and browning high powers

there would be no other tiers.

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9/25/2015 1:21:27 AM EDT
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if quality really mattered tier 1 would be pre lock S&W, pre 64 Winchesters steel walthers  and browning high powers

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That could be true, but most modern Smiths are made to better tolerances, most any budget off the shelf rifle will have a better trigger and shoot better than most sporter barreled pre 64 Winchesters (though a fair bit uglier), the steel Walthers were all clunky guns, and Browning Hi-Powers have varied greatly through the years. The modern ones are the most uninteresting but the best mechanically.
9/26/2015 11:20:27 AM EDT
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Glock. Hahaha.
9/27/2015 4:44:00 PM EDT
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"Tiers" are mostly an internet creation. What matters is how individual guns work for individual people and how much enjoyment folks get from their guns.
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