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Posted: 12/8/2010 9:57:45 AM EDT
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I did some googling on "fleming conversions" and all I get are guns. Where can I find info on the person or company? Just curious. |
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Convicted felon. Bill Fleming.
His conversions are supposedly decent. Only experience I have is with his subcal conversions, which in many cases, were complete paperweights. I beleive his felony was from trying to transfer firearms through the local Police dept, to avoid taxes. My memory could be incorrect though... Im sure someone will be along shorlty with more details. |
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I purchased and transferred my first two machine guns from FFL/SOTs who were later convicted of federal felonies (Thao Le and Bill Fleming, both in Oklahoma). You are a real felon magnet, if we add in the people who sat near you. haha I got my first can from a dealer that used to have a Internet porn site(s), and was later arrested for bribing African? officials. I REALLY do miss him. |
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Cannot substantiate this, but I heard years ago that it was not Bill Fleming, but actually his wife behind the Fleming .22 kits and presumably now with this new gear as well. I believed it then and now simply because of the crazy legal logistics involved when a convicted felon would attempt to design and manufacture firearm parts.
Who knows... |
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Cannot substantiate this, but I heard years ago that it was not Bill Fleming, but actually his wife behind the Fleming .22 kits and presumably now with this new gear as well. I believed it then and now simply because of the crazy legal logistics involved when a convicted felon would attempt to design and manufacture firearm parts. Who knows... That would certainly explain why they are steaming piles of crap. 
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Quoted: a lot of the old-time, big name, C3's have had run-ins with the ATF and the federal government in general. in some cases they came out ok, in others they didn't. I'm wondering if it was a case of the C3's getting so big they though they could get away with something, or the ATF angry at someone going good and decided to go after them. |
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a lot of the old-time, big name, C3's have had run-ins with the ATF and the federal government in general. in some cases they came out ok, in others they didn't. I'm wondering if it was a case of the C3's getting so big they though they could get away with something, or the ATF angry at someone going good and decided to go after them. i don't know what the deal is, but any time you dig through older cases, you find scores of familiar names. i suspect it's more about folks who were alive and even working and dealing in a day-and-age when firearms laws were a bit less onerous, being run through the legal gauntlet of the late 60's through the very early 90's. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I purchased and transferred my first two machine guns from FFL/SOTs who were later convicted of federal felonies (Thao Le and Bill Fleming, both in Oklahoma). You are a real felon magnet, if we add in the people who sat near you. Pretty ironic that I've had ties to all the ones from recent months and years, isn't it? But I cannot control the actions of others. One is now in custody awaiting trial, one pled to a federal misdemeanor, and the most recent one just last week surprised all of us. |
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Cannot substantiate this, but I heard years ago that it was not Bill Fleming, but actually his wife behind the Fleming .22 kits and presumably now with this new gear as well. I believed it then and now simply because of the crazy legal logistics involved when a convicted felon would attempt to design and manufacture firearm parts. Who knows... Bill's wife "Kat" told over holding the FFL after he was convicted. Technically it was Bill who manufacturered and sold the uppers (as they were just uppers/parts and dont require an FFL to deal in) and what remained of Bill;s once vast collection was held by an FFL under Kat's name after his conviction. Most of the collection was sold off along with a large lot of Fleming HK Sears through LMO (for $500 each) but that was a bit before I started collecting machinegun, I want to say 1994ish. However, I can pretty much gurantee you that the HK parts have nothing to do with Kat since she died of cancer last year. The last actual firearm I saw the Flemings sell was maybe two years ago, it was an HK51K that was built and used in the Steven Segal Movie, Marked for Death. I beleive the sale was tied to charity raffle to help pay for Kat's cancer treatment. |
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Cannot substantiate this, but I heard years ago that it was not Bill Fleming, but actually his wife behind the Fleming .22 kits and presumably now with this new gear as well. I believed it then and now simply because of the crazy legal logistics involved when a convicted felon would attempt to design and manufacture firearm parts. Who knows... Bill's wife "Kat" told over holding the FFL after he was convicted. Technically it was Bill who manufacturered and sold the uppers (as they were just uppers/parts and dont require an FFL to deal in) and what remained of Bill;s once vast collection was held by an FFL under Kat's name after his conviction. Most of the collection was sold off along with a large lot of Fleming HK Sears through LMO (for $500 each) but that was a bit before I started collecting machinegun, I want to say 1994ish. However, I can pretty much gurantee you that the HK parts have nothing to do with Kat since she died of cancer last year. The last actual firearm I saw the Flemings sell was maybe two years ago, it was an HK51K that was built and used in the Steven Segal Movie, Marked for Death. I beleive the sale was tied to charity raffle to help pay for Kat's cancer treatment. Ouch, didn't know that. I was curious since, while not requiring an FFL , firearm parts require R&D use of actual firearms. Never understood how one could do this both legally and practically while burdened by a felony conviction. |
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