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If I have the wood stove going in my shop, it's a 15 minute operation. Cases placed in an old oven pan on stove top. 3/4 inch angle bar spacer between stove top and pan. If wood stove is not going, pan of cases still set on wood stove and dries overnight. |
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Originally Posted By Andrewsky: For me, I need a full tablespoon of Lemishine. I have a friend who lives 20 miles away and he gets great results with just a teaspoon. I use a 45 ACP case full per 1 gallon of water. I have very good well water, tastes better than store bought water. |
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| Has anyone rubber seal on either side stretched out to the point it’s unusable? I’ve had my fart for about a year. I alway leave one side sealed and only remove one side. That sides rubber seal has stretched out where it doesn’t fit around the clear plastic lug snug anymore. Is this common? Or am I doing something to it? |
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Originally Posted By Tengo1: Has anyone rubber seal on either side stretched out to the point it’s unusable? I’ve had my fart for about a year. I alway leave one side sealed and only remove one side. That sides rubber seal has stretched out where it doesn’t fit around the clear plastic lug snug anymore. Is this common? Or am I doing something to it? Have been using mine for about 10 years and haven't had any problems with the gaskets. I don't crank down on the caps very hard and store it with the caps loose. I suspect you're overtightening yours. If you're having problems with the caps leaking, either wet them before tightening or try a thin film of Vaseline on both sides as gasket lube before cranking down on them too hard. Might try to drop Franklin a line to see if they can sent replacements and also give you some tips on preserving the gaskets. Here's their Contact Us page. |
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Originally Posted By Tengo1: Has anyone rubber seal on either side stretched out to the point it’s unusable? I’ve had my fart for about a year. I alway leave one side sealed and only remove one side. That sides rubber seal has stretched out where it doesn’t fit around the clear plastic lug snug anymore. Is this common? Or am I doing something to it? Super-Lube works well for me on my FART-Lite. Vaseline is probably similar. https://www.super-lube.com/o-ring-silicone-grease |
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Originally Posted By Bandit432: Super-Lube works well for me on my FART-Lite. Vaseline is probably similar. https://www.super-lube.com/o-ring-silicone-grease I use Vaseline every time with great success. I was really frustrated when I first got it because it leaked so bad. I learned about Vaseline on here and also ordered a 3D printed wrench from EBay to tighten it down. No leaks since, but I will admit. I crank it down hard. Issue I’m taking about:  Wrench: 
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Originally Posted By compuvette: I haven’t joined the “bling” club yet as I also haven’t used pins with my FART. Heck, I’m just using cheap dish soap from Dollar Tree (my wife loves that place for some reason). I run the FART for two hours. I’ve ran four batches through so far. I fill the drum about 3/4 full of decapped brass, fill with hot water up to the “ledge”, a healthy squeeze of soap, and let it run. I rinse out the drum/brass in the tub. Boy the water that comes out is dirty! Of course the last batch was all range pickup and my 308’s after suppressed AR10 use..... I dry on a beach towel for a while then sort it into containers. I’m very happy with how clean the brass ends up. Not spotless but more than good enough for me! 556, 300 Blackout, 30-06, and 308 in this batch. 2 hours with just dish soap. No pins. That's more or less what I've been doing. No pins, hot water, dawn and lemishine for one hour (the brass I've done so far hasn't been super dirty to start with). Dump contents through strainer and rinse and drain again. Dump rinsed/drained brass into large bath towel and pat them mostly dry then dump brass onto sheet trays with smaller hand towel, spread them out and let them fully dry...  They look good IMO. No, the inside of the cases aren't spotless but I don't see how that matters? I'm also not sure I understand why people run them in the oven or dehydrators to dry instead of just letting them air dry? |
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Originally Posted By airgunner: That's more or less what I've been doing. No pins, hot water, dawn and lemishine for one hour (the brass I've done so far hasn't been super dirty to start with). Dump contents through strainer and rinse and drain again. Dump rinsed/drained brass into large bath towel and pat them mostly dry then dump brass onto sheet trays with smaller hand towel, spread them out and let them fully dry... https://i.imgur.com/nlPZbTp.jpg They look good IMO. No, the inside of the cases aren't spotless but I don't see how that matters? I'm also not sure I understand why people run them in the oven or dehydrators to dry instead of just letting them air dry? I've found that substituting a wash & wax product, like Armorall, for the DW detergent, leaves a slight coating of wax that both lubricates and protects the brass. For drying, I use a spinner to get the water and pins out, and then spray some more water on the brass for a final rinse. I dump the brass onto a towel and rub to get most of the remaining water out. If It's sunny and warm out, I put the brass on baking sheets to dry. The brass and baking sheets both get pretty hot so they're dry in about an hour. if it's winter time, I put them in the oven for about 20 minutes. Seems to me that putting them on the towels would take forever to dry. If I'm doing 4-5k pieces of brass in a session, I'd run out of baking sheets and towels since they would never dry in the hour it takes to process another batch. Believe me, you don't want even slightly damp brass sitting in a container for several weeks or months until you're ready to reload it. |
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Originally Posted By Tengo1: I use Vaseline every time with great success. I was really frustrated when I first got it because it leaked so bad. I learned about Vaseline on here and also ordered a 3D printed wrench from EBay to tighten it down. No leaks since, but I will admit. I crank it down hard. Issue I’m taking about: https://i.imgur.com/eBRa7gT.jpg Wrench: https://i.imgur.com/RH9ijg3.jpg Originally Posted By Tengo1: Originally Posted By Bandit432: Super-Lube works well for me on my FART-Lite. Vaseline is probably similar. https://www.super-lube.com/o-ring-silicone-grease I use Vaseline every time with great success. I was really frustrated when I first got it because it leaked so bad. I learned about Vaseline on here and also ordered a 3D printed wrench from EBay to tighten it down. No leaks since, but I will admit. I crank it down hard. Issue I’m taking about: https://i.imgur.com/eBRa7gT.jpg Wrench: https://i.imgur.com/RH9ijg3.jpg Vaseline seals good however it harms rubber and will swell it over time. You should use silicone grease, O-ring Greece, dielectric grease on rubber which are pure silicone products. |
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40: Seems to me that putting them on the towels would take forever to dry. If I'm doing 4-5k pieces of brass in a session, I'd run out of baking sheets and towels since they would never dry in the hour it takes to process another batch. Believe me, you don't want even slightly damp brass sitting in a container for several weeks or months until you're ready to reload it. Well I'm never doing that many at one time or in that much of a hurry. As always, individual needs/requirements will help determine process. Kind of like single stage press vs progressive.  |
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Originally Posted By airgunner: That's more or less what I've been doing. No pins, hot water, dawn and lemishine for one hour (the brass I've done so far hasn't been super dirty to start with). Dump contents through strainer and rinse and drain again. Dump rinsed/drained brass into large bath towel and pat them mostly dry then dump brass onto sheet trays with smaller hand towel, spread them out and let them fully dry... https://i.imgur.com/nlPZbTp.jpg They look good IMO. No, the inside of the cases aren't spotless but I don't see how that matters? I'm also not sure I understand why people run them in the oven or dehydrators to dry instead of just letting them air dry? Originally Posted By airgunner: Originally Posted By compuvette: I haven’t joined the “bling” club yet as I also haven’t used pins with my FART. Heck, I’m just using cheap dish soap from Dollar Tree (my wife loves that place for some reason). I run the FART for two hours. I’ve ran four batches through so far. I fill the drum about 3/4 full of decapped brass, fill with hot water up to the “ledge”, a healthy squeeze of soap, and let it run. I rinse out the drum/brass in the tub. Boy the water that comes out is dirty! Of course the last batch was all range pickup and my 308’s after suppressed AR10 use..... I dry on a beach towel for a while then sort it into containers. I’m very happy with how clean the brass ends up. Not spotless but more than good enough for me! 556, 300 Blackout, 30-06, and 308 in this batch. 2 hours with just dish soap. No pins. That's more or less what I've been doing. No pins, hot water, dawn and lemishine for one hour (the brass I've done so far hasn't been super dirty to start with). Dump contents through strainer and rinse and drain again. Dump rinsed/drained brass into large bath towel and pat them mostly dry then dump brass onto sheet trays with smaller hand towel, spread them out and let them fully dry... https://i.imgur.com/nlPZbTp.jpg They look good IMO. No, the inside of the cases aren't spotless but I don't see how that matters? I'm also not sure I understand why people run them in the oven or dehydrators to dry instead of just letting them air dry? I would rather the inside be shiny than the outside if I had to choose. Don’t get me wrong I appreciate a pretty/shiny complete round, but what really makes a difference is having the inside clean. When loading on the Dillon the shiny interior makes it easier to check powder charges without slowing down. -Mike |
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Originally Posted By 20andOUT: I would rather the inside be shiny than the outside if I had to choose. Don’t get me wrong I appreciate a pretty/shiny complete round, but what really makes a difference is having the inside clean. When loading on the Dillon the shiny interior makes it easier to check powder charges without slowing down. -Mike Again, different needs, different uses. I'm not loading on a progressive so that's doesn't matter to me |
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I picked up a FART on Black Friday. Then I had to do a plumbing project to put a laundry tub in the basement, ha. So I've only been tumbling for a few weeks now. I love it! Nice big batches. I've been cleaning brass that I've had sitting for 30 years, ha. But I had my first sort of disappointment. Cleaning some old 44 mag. The pins won't quite reach in to the recess at the base. Some of them had the bluish white corrosion which I'm afraid will start growing again. About the only thing I can think of doing is dry tumbling in some walnut shell to maybe clean it out a little more. Any other ideas? Some bling: Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dairyfarmer: But I had my first sort of disappointment. Cleaning some old 44 mag. The pins won't quite reach in to the recess at the base. ???? Some of them had the bluish white corrosion which I'm afraid will start growing again. Pic would be good. |
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Here's a pic. I'm using the pins that come with the FART, not sure of their diameter, but too big to reach into the recess. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dairyfarmer: Here's a pic. I'm using the pins that come with the FART, not sure of their diameter, but too big to reach into the recess. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21830/brass_44_jpg-2726072.JPG Are you using lemishine or something similar to clean your cases? The chemistry in lemishine should remove all of the tarnish and corrosion. |
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Originally Posted By dairyfarmer: I am using Dawn and Lemishine. I guess time will tell if the corrosion comes back. How much lemishine and how hard is your water? I have a water softener and add 2 - 1.0cc scoops (about 2 - 9mm cases) of lemishine to the large FART barrel completely full of water. |
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Originally Posted By dairyfarmer: We have a water softener. I'm using one 45 acp case full. I'm happy with the rest of the case and all the other cases I've cleaned. It's just that there is some crud left in that recess. Now if I was dry tumbling I probably wouldn't even have noticed, ha! You could try SS chips. They are smaller than the pins and probably get in the corners better. |
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Recently received my FART wet tumbler. I’m extremely impressed with the results and thankful for everyone’s input! My current recipe is simply 1oz ArmorAll wash and wax and 1ea 45acp case full of Lemi-Shine. Let run for an hour then dump out the dirty water and add fresh water along with another oz of ArmorAll along with another 45acp case full of Lei-Shine and let run for another hour,,, for a total of two hours in the wet tumbler with the metal pins. After initial towel / air drying place in conventional tumbler with a capful of Nu Finish wax added to the corn cob media. Lastly I’ve discovered the handiness of having a funnel and thought a wrench would be nice too… Having said that and after looking around I’ve discovered one of our local AR15 members (Obsessed) has designed and sells a combination funnel / wrench for the FART wet tumbler system on the local EE board. I know we have a lot of talented people on this site and several who sell similar type tools.. I’m not trying to say one is better than another however this is one worthy of looking into should you be in the market for such an item.Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By FALARAK: Vaseline seals good however it harms rubber and will swell it over time. You should use silicone grease, O-ring Greece, dielectric grease on rubber which are pure silicone products. I just rub a thin film of dish soap on the gasket. Has worked for years. |
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Tumbled my first batch of cases in my F.A.R.T Lite. 117 .45 acp and ~50 7.62x40mm. 1 pound of pins, 1 sec shot of Dawn, and a 9mm case full of Lemshine. Ran the tumbler for 1 hour. Here they are drying under a fan: Attached File They could be a touch shinier, and the insides of the 7.62 cases aren't as clean as I had hoped, but all the primer pockets I inspected were clean. I used the Lyman case sifter pan set to separate the pins from the brass, and it worked great. Overall I'm pleased. Would adding more pins help with getting the inside of the cases cleaner? Or should I have ran it longer? |
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Originally Posted By Logan45: Tumbled my first batch of cases in my F.A.R.T Lite. 117 .45 acp and ~50 7.62x40mm. 1 pound of pins, 1 sec shot of Dawn, and a 9mm case full of Lemshine. Ran the tumbler for 1 hour. Here they are drying under a fan: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214097/IMG_2710_jpg-2956179.JPG They could be a touch shinier, and the insides of the 7.62 cases aren't as clean as I had hoped, but all the primer pockets I inspected were clean. I used the Lyman case sifter pan set to separate the pins from the brass, and it worked great. Overall I'm pleased. Would adding more pins help with getting the inside of the cases cleaner? Or should I have ran it longer? Longer |
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Originally Posted By FALARAK: Longer Originally Posted By FALARAK: Originally Posted By Logan45: Tumbled my first batch of cases in my F.A.R.T Lite. 117 .45 acp and ~50 7.62x40mm. 1 pound of pins, 1 sec shot of Dawn, and a 9mm case full of Lemshine. Ran the tumbler for 1 hour. Here they are drying under a fan: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214097/IMG_2710_jpg-2956179.JPG They could be a touch shinier, and the insides of the 7.62 cases aren't as clean as I had hoped, but all the primer pockets I inspected were clean. I used the Lyman case sifter pan set to separate the pins from the brass, and it worked great. Overall I'm pleased. Would adding more pins help with getting the inside of the cases cleaner? Or should I have ran it longer? Longer Also, with that small of a load (actually any load), make sure there is some air in the tumbler as well, most sloshing around seems to make it work more efficiently. If I was running a smaller load in my full size tumbler, I might fill it halfway full of water at most. More water does not equal more cleaning, more movement and agitation does, so long as there is plenty of water… |
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Originally Posted By Logan45: Tumbled my first batch of cases in my F.A.R.T Lite. 117 .45 acp and ~50 7.62x40mm. 1 pound of pins, 1 sec shot of Dawn, and a 9mm case full of Lemshine. Ran the tumbler for 1 hour. Here they are drying under a fan: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214097/IMG_2710_jpg-2956179.JPG They could be a touch shinier, and the insides of the 7.62 cases aren't as clean as I had hoped, but all the primer pockets I inspected were clean. I used the Lyman case sifter pan set to separate the pins from the brass, and it worked great. Overall I'm pleased. Would adding more pins help with getting the inside of the cases cleaner? Or should I have ran it longer? I use 5 pounds of pins every load. (Thumblers tumbler, the first wet tumbler) You can experiment on the Lemishine, as water chemistry varies a lot. I use a 45 ACP case full in my tumbler. I have also noted some headstamps jut shine up better than others. I have my tumbler set for a 4 hour run. |
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Originally Posted By towgunner11H: I just rub a thin film of dish soap on the gasket. Has worked for years. Originally Posted By towgunner11H: Originally Posted By FALARAK: Vaseline seals good however it harms rubber and will swell it over time. You should use silicone grease, O-ring Greece, dielectric grease on rubber which are pure silicone products. I just rub a thin film of dish soap on the gasket. Has worked for years. This is what I have been doing, and sometimes I just get the gaskets wet just before I tighten them down. No leaks either method. I also don't use the pins anymore. |
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Thank y'all for the tips. Next batch I will make a change or two and see if things improves. Now that I think about it, back in 2014 when I was using a Harbor Freight dual drum tumbler, I was using 1 9mm case full of Lemshine per drum. Those drums are probably half the size of my Lite drum, so maybe I need to up the Lemshine? |
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I have a question for those of you with lots of wer tumbling experience. I have numerous 5 gallon buckets of filthy but once fired 223 ive acquired from a police range so i know its once fired. Once i wet tumble it with primers still in how much time do i have before the issue of sticking primers happens? Its so dirty I don’t want to run it on my 750 before it’s cleaned. |
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Originally Posted By acman145acp: I have a question for those of you with lots of wer tumbling experience. I have numerous 5 gallon buckets of filthy but once fired 223 ive acquired from a police range so i know its once fired. Once i wet tumble it with primers still in how much time do i have before the issue of sticking primers happens? Its so dirty I don't want to run it on my 750 before it's cleaned. If it's that bad decap on a Lee AAP, mine has seen all manner of dirty cases. https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0000690933/lee-app- |
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@acman145acp Frankford Arsenal also makes a handheld decapper that works pretty well- when I have big bunches of brass to tumble, I break that thing out and decap it all first. For small batches I use a press mounted Lyman Universal Decapping die. |
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Two questions for you folks in the know... 1) Will I get pink brass if I leave the cases in the tumbler for 3-4 hours after tumbling is finished? I'll be using the Lemishine and Armor All car wash recipe. I'd like to start the tumbler in the middle of the day and let it run while I return to work, and then clean everything up when I get home. The problem is my workday can be a bit unpredictable, so it may have to sit for several hours. 2) What's the lifespan of the bling? Any additional steps I can take to expand that lifespan? It's very likely I'm going to have to downsize and move in the next few months, so much of my reloading and brass processing gear will either get sold off or packed into storage. I'd like to get as much brass processed as possible, but need it to stay in good condition for the next several years while being stored in unknown but probably less than ideal conditions. |
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Originally Posted By corruptor: Two questions for you folks in the know... 1) Will I get pink brass if I leave the cases in the tumbler for 3-4 hours after tumbling is finished? I'll be using the Lemishine and Armor All car wash recipe. I'd like to start the tumbler in the middle of the day and let it run while I return to work, and then clean everything up when I get home. The problem is my workday can be a bit unpredictable, so it may have to sit for several hours. 2) What's the lifespan of the bling? Any additional steps I can take to expand that lifespan? It's very likely I'm going to have to downsize and move in the next few months, so much of my reloading and brass processing gear will either get sold off or packed into storage. I'd like to get as much brass processed as possible, but need it to stay in good condition for the next several years while being stored in unknown but probably less than ideal conditions. My water is soft and I use a 45 ACP case of Lemishine to 1 gallon of water. Hard water needs more Lemishine. 2. Bling lasts a couple of years for me. I store my dry, wet tumbled brass in 50 cal cans. |
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Originally Posted By tac556: Also, with that small of a load (actually any load), make sure there is some air in the tumbler as well, most sloshing around seems to make it work more efficiently. If I was running a smaller load in my full size tumbler, I might fill it halfway full of water at most. More water does not equal more cleaning, more movement and agitation does, so long as there is plenty of water… I run mine full of water regardless of brass count, when I have run less water I have noticed more dinged up brass, especially rifle brass versus handgun brass, just another thing to watch for..I use a squirt of Dawn and a capful of Frankford arsenal's brass cleaning solution and no pins most of the time, every once in a while I use pins if they brass doesn't come clean on just dawn and FA brass cleaner.......It does such a good job I see no reason to change... Attached File Attached File |
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1 9mm brass full of lemishine. 1 9mm brass of dawn. Fill with water. Run for 45 mins. Wash with hose till no suds come out. Separate pins, dry on a towel. It's not humid here, so I can just leave it to air dry. I decap first so the primer pockets are also cleaned out. |
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