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I thought that you could not have a full auto manufactured after May 19th 1986... Forgive me if I am a little confused. if you are a licensed manufacturer and get a demo request letter from a law enforcement agency, you can procure or build a post-86 machine gun as a "dealer sample" in order to let the agency evaluate whether it wants to buy them or not. the licensed manufacturer may then keep the dealer sample as long as he holds his license. |
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I thought that you could not have a full auto manufactured after May 19th 1986... Forgive me if I am a little confused. if you are a licensed manufacturer and get a demo request letter from a law enforcement agency, you can procure or build a post-86 machine gun as a "dealer sample" in order to let the agency evaluate whether it wants to buy them or not. the licensed manufacturer may then keep the dealer sample as long as he holds his license. So how did the people in the videos get them...? And the one with the ad that anyone can purchase? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I thought that you could not have a full auto manufactured after May 19th 1986... Forgive me if I am a little confused. if you are a licensed manufacturer and get a demo request letter from a law enforcement agency, you can procure or build a post-86 machine gun as a "dealer sample" in order to let the agency evaluate whether it wants to buy them or not. the licensed manufacturer may then keep the dealer sample as long as he holds his license. Exactly. How many LEOs do you think are going to be hot for a FA .22? It's purpose is for what? Charging squirrels? Also, you've seen the video with the repro of the M37 machine gun in .22lr? Come on, there isn't any LEO need for a FA .22lr. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I thought that you could not have a full auto manufactured after May 19th 1986... Forgive me if I am a little confused. if you are a licensed manufacturer and get a demo request letter from a law enforcement agency, you can procure or build a post-86 machine gun as a "dealer sample" in order to let the agency evaluate whether it wants to buy them or not. the licensed manufacturer may then keep the dealer sample as long as he holds his license. Or you could just buy one made before May 19, 1986, which is what most people who have them have done. |
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1) There are several variants of registered 10/22 trigger packs that are legal for anyone to own, provided they are not banned by local or state govt. $200 transfer tax + about $9k to purchase. Look up Norrell.
2) Type 7 FFL with Class 2 SOT can make these all day long. Type 1 FFL with Class 3 needs demo letter to buy from the 07FFL with 2SOT. I bought the DVD many years ago. It's very educational, however I found it easier to buy a '85 M11/9 and wait for Lage to make the 22 conversion kit :) |
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Maybe you should start with the premise of "how come I can't walk into my local store and buy one of these without the government restricting my liberty?" +100. Silly Fudds with Anime avatars and rodent fearing 10mm fanboys. Guns are for law abiding PATRIOTS too.  How come they are not all arrested? BECAUSE THERE ARE HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF REGISTERED NFA COMPLIANT .22's on the books! Cripes!
BTW-a 180/240 round Lewis style drum and a laser sight integrated into a practical .22LR weapon system? THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!! NOT PRACTICAL! Wha...? It has? Surgical precision with surgical control of long strings of fire? (Ring a bell anyone? Hint: AA-180, Czech version is MGV-176-I believe) BTW-Part DEUX-I'd give a FUDD's left nut to live in a state where I could have civilian NFA equipment. |
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How have these people not been arrested and the videos removed. There are a bunch of videos on youtube... WTF? Link 1 Link 2 This one is even advertising a DVD with instructions on how to do this 
Link 3 Why all the outrage? They're not hurting or intending to hurt anyone. The law needs to be changed. Spending government time and money chasing bullshit like that is absurd when our economy has collapsed around us. |
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How have these people not been arrested and the videos removed. There are a bunch of videos on youtube... WTF? Link 1 Link 2 This one is even advertising a DVD with instructions on how to do this
Link 3 Why all the outrage? They're not hurting or intending to hurt anyone. The law needs to be changed. Spending government time and money chasing bullshit like that is absurd when our economy has collapsed around us. The only reason that I was "outraged" was that I don't have one... No, I was only wondering how it was possible to modify a semi-auto firearm, or what I assume was originally a semi-auto, into a full auto, post a video and not have some kind of legal action take against them or at least the video removed. |
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How have these people not been arrested and the videos removed. There are a bunch of videos on youtube... WTF? Link 1 Link 2 This one is even advertising a DVD with instructions on how to do this
Link 3 Why all the outrage? They're not hurting or intending to hurt anyone. The law needs to be changed. Spending government time and money chasing bullshit like that is absurd when our economy has collapsed around us. The only reason that I was "outraged" was that I don't have one... No, I was only wondering how it was possible to modify a semi-auto firearm, or what I assume was originally a semi-auto, into a full auto, post a video and not have some kind of legal action take against them or at least the video removed. because the trigger pack is considered the machinegun, not the 10/22 itself just like a RDIAS or RLL is the machinegun, not the otherwise semi ARs you put them in. |
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Norrell is still selling new trigger packs from time to time. Evidentally he registered a ton right before the ban. Last time I got interested in buying one they were running around $7.5k, that was a few years ago.
The vid showing the "how to" is not the same guys as the first video. Not really sure whether owning both the video and a 10/22 would be constructive intent or not but I wouldn't want to risk it. If you didn't own a 10/22 I can't see any issues coming from owning the video. As far as legally obtaining a FA 10/22 it is possible and easier/ cheaper if you have a manufacturers license. Dolomite |
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Norrell is still selling new trigger packs from time to time. Evidentally he registered a ton right before the ban. Last time I got interested in buying one they were running around $7.5k, that was a few years ago. The vid showing the "how to" is not the same guys as the first video. Not really sure whether owning both the video and a 10/22 would be constructive intent or not but I wouldn't want to risk it. If you didn't own a 10/22 I can't see any issues coming from owning the video. As far as legally obtaining a FA 10/22 it is possible and easier/ cheaper if you have a manufacturers license. Dolomite I just bought a Norrell pack. It was $8060- shipped to my dealer plus the $200- transfer tax to me. He was selling them this time last year for $9000- but I guess the economy is hurting everyone. John Norrell told me he is down to the bottom of the barrel on the registered packs. The pack I bought from him is actually an S+H registered sear that Norrell puts into a 10/22 trigger pack and he does whatever modifications he needs to to make it work with the full auto sear and the full auto bolt that he supplies. Norrell should have registered a 5 gallon bucket of the sears before the cutoff in 1986......me to. I know it's a whole lot of money but I am a 10/22 junkie and this is the ultimate in my opinion. Life's short, eat desert first! |
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How have these people not been arrested and the videos removed. There are a bunch of videos on youtube... WTF? Link 1 Link 2 This one is even advertising a DVD with instructions on how to do this
Link 3 Why all the outrage? They're not hurting or intending to hurt anyone. The law needs to be changed. Spending government time and money chasing bullshit like that is absurd when our economy has collapsed around us. can i get an amen brother! guns are about the only thing selling right now. i sure am glad obama's stimulus is working.... |
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Norrell is still selling new trigger packs from time to time. Evidentally he registered a ton right before the ban. Last time I got interested in buying one they were running around $7.5k, that was a few years ago. The vid showing the "how to" is not the same guys as the first video. Not really sure whether owning both the video and a 10/22 would be constructive intent or not but I wouldn't want to risk it. If you didn't own a 10/22 I can't see any issues coming from owning the video. As far as legally obtaining a FA 10/22 it is possible and easier/ cheaper if you have a manufacturers license. Dolomite I just bought a Norrell pack. It was $8060- shipped to my dealer plus the $200- transfer tax to me. He was selling them this time last year for $9000- but I guess the economy is hurting everyone. John Norrell told me he is down to the bottom of the barrel on the registered packs. The pack I bought from him is actually an S+H registered sear that Norrell puts into a 10/22 trigger pack and he does whatever modifications he needs to to make it work with the full auto sear and the full auto bolt that he supplies. Norrell should have registered a 5 gallon bucket of the sears before the cutoff in 1986......me to. I know it's a whole lot of money but I am a 10/22 junkie and this is the ultimate in my opinion. Life's short, eat desert first! Dude, you spent over 8k for a full-auto 10/22? Wow! PICS! YOUTUBE! |
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How have these people not been arrested and the videos removed. If you are of the opinion that these people need to be arrested, then you probably ought to find yourself a different website... I guess that I have not made myself clear enough. I SUPPORT THE OWNERSHIP OF ALL FIREARMS, REGARDLESS OF TYPE, BY ANY CITIZEN. I thought, and the point of the post, was to reason out the, what I assumed were, illegal modifications, outside of Mr. Norell, to configure a stock, semi-auto, 10/22 into a full auto. |
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Norrell is still selling new trigger packs from time to time. Evidentally he registered a ton right before the ban. Last time I got interested in buying one they were running around $7.5k, that was a few years ago. The vid showing the "how to" is not the same guys as the first video. Not really sure whether owning both the video and a 10/22 would be constructive intent or not but I wouldn't want to risk it. If you didn't own a 10/22 I can't see any issues coming from owning the video. As far as legally obtaining a FA 10/22 it is possible and easier/ cheaper if you have a manufacturers license. Dolomite I just bought a Norrell pack. It was $8060- shipped to my dealer plus the $200- transfer tax to me. He was selling them this time last year for $9000- but I guess the economy is hurting everyone. John Norrell told me he is down to the bottom of the barrel on the registered packs. The pack I bought from him is actually an S+H registered sear that Norrell puts into a 10/22 trigger pack and he does whatever modifications he needs to to make it work with the full auto sear and the full auto bolt that he supplies. Norrell should have registered a 5 gallon bucket of the sears before the cutoff in 1986......me to. I know it's a whole lot of money but I am a 10/22 junkie and this is the ultimate in my opinion. Life's short, eat desert first! It will probably be a great investment also. As centerfire ammo prices increase people turn their attention to rimfire and anything that shoots it. Having a MG in rimfire will undoubtably increase in value because its easy on the wallet to shoot or at least easier than centerfire. That and the fact that there is now a finite number tht is only getting smaller by the day. When I first found out about Norrel packs they were in the $4k range new, if only I had known I would have bought a couple. Hopefully sometime in the next year or so I can swing some sort of FA. A FA 10/22 would be the best for me also because I love my 10/22's also. It would suck for you but I would love to see the 1986 ban get lifted. It got passed by using underhanded techniques and maybe those same techniques can be used to repeal it. I know it is a pipe dream but a person can hope. Have you had a chance to silence it or try subdsonics in it? Dolomite |
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So, now when we see a full-auto, we should automaticly assume that its someone doing something illegal?
I forget sometimes that this site is filled with winey little bitches. Take a bath, wash this out of your pussies 
Any other situation,and it would be " OMG, my rights!! Boohoo! Lets march on Washington, cold dead hands, my pussy hurts!" |
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So, now when we see a full-auto, we should automaticly assume that its someone doing something illegal?
I forget sometimes that this site is filled with winey little bitches. Take a bath, wash this out of your pussies Any other situation,and it would be " OMG, my rights!! Boohoo! Lets march on Washington, cold dead hands, my pussy hurts!" Take some time to follow your own advice. I am sorry because it seems that I have offended you, twas not my intent but it has happened. |
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Norrell is still selling new trigger packs from time to time. Evidentally he registered a ton right before the ban. Last time I got interested in buying one they were running around $7.5k, that was a few years ago. The vid showing the "how to" is not the same guys as the first video. Not really sure whether owning both the video and a 10/22 would be constructive intent or not but I wouldn't want to risk it. If you didn't own a 10/22 I can't see any issues coming from owning the video. As far as legally obtaining a FA 10/22 it is possible and easier/ cheaper if you have a manufacturers license. Dolomite I just bought a Norrell pack. It was $8060- shipped to my dealer plus the $200- transfer tax to me. He was selling them this time last year for $9000- but I guess the economy is hurting everyone. John Norrell told me he is down to the bottom of the barrel on the registered packs. The pack I bought from him is actually an S+H registered sear that Norrell puts into a 10/22 trigger pack and he does whatever modifications he needs to to make it work with the full auto sear and the full auto bolt that he supplies. Norrell should have registered a 5 gallon bucket of the sears before the cutoff in 1986......me to. I know it's a whole lot of money but I am a 10/22 junkie and this is the ultimate in my opinion. Life's short, eat desert first! Dude, you spent over 8k for a full-auto 10/22? Wow! PICS! YOUTUBE! Haven't had the chance to take it out yet. I will get some video and post it when I do. |
| Stick with the Butler Creek steel lips or Tac Innovations with the Norrell. Norrell builds a really nice integral suppressor to go with his pack. About $700 for 19 inch barrel version and is full auto rated.Anybody have any luck with any ammo other than CCI mini mags.I would like to have other feeding options. |
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I thought that you could not have a full auto manufactured after May 19th 1986... Forgive me if I am a little confused. if you are a licensed manufacturer and get a demo request letter from a law enforcement agency, you can procure or build a post-86 machine gun as a "dealer sample" in order to let the agency evaluate whether it wants to buy them or not. the licensed manufacturer may then keep the dealer sample as long as he holds his license. Exactly. How many LEOs do you think are going to be hot for a FA .22? It's purpose is for what? Charging squirrels? Also, you've seen the video with the repro of the M37 machine gun in .22lr? Come on, there isn't any LEO need for a FA .22lr. in actual need of? no but I bet some small town chief or sheriff that the ffl holder grew up with might be willing to provide demo request letters for all sorts of stuff just so they can all go out and have fun on weekends |
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Stick with the Butler Creek steel lips or Tac Innovations with the Norrell. Norrell builds a really nice integral suppressor to go with his pack. About $700 for 19 inch barrel version and is full auto rated.Anybody have any luck with any ammo other than CCI mini mags.I would like to have other feeding options. I have both. My cousin has the Norrell 19" and a shorty can that is like 13". both are really nice. I'm going to use my SWR integral suppressed barrel that is spooky quiet with Winchester Super X solids. I also have a CAC .22 and a TI Diamond can that takes apart for cleaning. I just have to find time to get my butt to the range. 
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