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Posted: 2/22/2008 12:29:02 PM EDT
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Well, evidently the GSG5 is the cool gun of the year. Hmmm. Since I already own several ARs, it's apparent I think THEY are pretty cool, too. Any thoughts as to which is the better value? I intend to use the gun for snakes and those vicious empty cans. |
I beleive their web site says they are redoing the line, or something to that effect. It does seem like you go down a long rabbit trail before you find that out, though. Although I 've not tried them yet, the new Black dog mags seem to be getting good reviews. The ability to use them is one of the attractions of a dedicated upper. You know, come to think of it, I've probably utilized the "extended magazine capacity" of my old Remington 550 more often than I've utilized the mag capacity of my EBRs. I'm also thinking that the price will go down for the GSG5s significantly if I wait (and buy both). One thing I haven't heard in the various manic threads about the GSG5 (I see its appeal as well) is anyone comparing it against a dedicated upper for the AR. |
Yup, I have the same problem with the full body mags and from posts here I'm not alone. Feed lips are too long and spent case hits the feed lip before the ejector. Case then gets pinned between Ciener bolt and charging handle. |
No you have to call, they're about 3 months out though. They make they're own bolt/carrier whatever you call it. And you can use BDM mags. |
Interesting. I had the stovepipe problem with some of my skinny mags and, rather than muck around with filing the feed lips, I swapped them out for the full body mags. Just today I tested all 12 of the new full body mags and, other than a dud .22 round, they all worked perfectly. I'm using them in a Kuehl .22lr dedicated upper. Are you having the same issues as in this thread and this thread? I thought BDM had fixed the mag lip issue with the full body mags. Guess I'm just lucky. |
Vinesr6 Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. |
I just received my full body mags and shot them for the first time last weekend. I would have 1-2 rounds per mag that would eject up. Much better than when I originally got the skinny mags but still annoying. Changing to the modded skinny mags resulted in 100% reliability. Comparing the full mags to my modified skinny mags the feed lips on the full mags are still a bit too long. I'll work on the full mags this weekend. |
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Ok, I've spent the last few available hours reading posts about the two platforms. Even in this thread, opinion seems mixed as to the reliability of the BD mags. Maybe its really too early to tell, but it seems as though there are far less complaints with the GSG 5 than with dedicated uppers for the AR. I did not expect this. I'm having trouble accepting the GSG5 as a "real" gun. Yet the early adopters are praising it to the skies. Last night, I was saying "get both". Right now, I feel like going against ARFCOM conventional wisdom and getting neither one. That aforementioned old Remington 550 is looking better all the time. |
| With the GSG-5 out it is making me question my dedicated .22 build. I think in the long run I'll end up with both. Right now, though, since I only need to find a barrel to complete the build I'll stick with the AR and wait to see what the prices on the GSG-5's do. |
In my mind the key benefit of a dedicated .22lr upper for the AR platform is as a training aid. You can train inexpensively and then, when you need it, all the training is immediately & readily transferrable to a "regular" 5.56mm AR. The same's not true for the GSG platform unless you use MP5s. I'll stick to my (now-reliable) conversion for now and see if I can pick up a GSG for fun later. Of course, I think my conversion is fun...especially on my M16A1  .If the intent is solely plinking & fun, then by all means go for the GSG. If there's a training need there, get both  .
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I went to the Big Town fun show yesterday - showed up about 2ish. They had one new GSG - $600. I also saw one in what looked to be a "used" rack. I passed on both; I may get one yet, but I think the price will go down. One thing I noted that made me feel a BIT better: In the pictures I've seen, the barrel looked skinny as a pencil. I now see that they are more along the lines of a AA battery. When I got back home, I pulled the 550 out of the safe. A restoration project is in the works. Thanks for the input, guys. |
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A dealer at the York, PA gunshow a few weeks ago had a GSG-5 on the table for $499. He said he cant believe all the dealers marking them up saying they are hard to get. He told me he can get as many as he wants all week long. This guy is usually high on all his stuff, so I was surprised when I saw $499 on the sticker. These guys with $600-650 prices can keep them. Now onto the dedicated 22lr upper. What about Spikes Tacticals 22lr upper. I spoke with them and they are making a dedicated upper with all dedicated parts. Nothing is drop-in. Its a dedicated barrel and bolt. The bolt is going to be chrome or some kind of plated for ease of cleaning. They will soon offer a Lothar-Walther barrel as an option. |
I talked to Angela last week and was ohhh so close to pre ordering one with the Lothar barrel. The LaRue thread kinda made me hesitate but at this point it seems like the LaRue is a long shot. Besides, I don't think I could afford a Larue dedicated .22lr upper. Hopefully in a few weeks we will see some initial reviews of spikes new design. |
larue is going to cost out the ass too. Just remember that. |
Yeah I said that |
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