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Posted: 8/16/2013 4:30:48 PM EDT
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I've got an Eagle H harness and the RRV that I'd like to have some work done on. I'd like to take the back piece off the H harness and have it sewn to the RRV. That being said, I'm looking for some place that does custom work that can handle this.
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Send a message to stoner63a here on the board. I think he does some gear mods for people. http://www.ar15.com/member/member.html?id=43902 CHRIS |
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Most shoe repair shops (if your town has a old school shoe repair shop) can do heavy duty stitching. Plus they are not "tactical types" so they don't charge some crazy price, to them its just a sewing job.
HSGI quoted me $125 to replace buckles with Cobra ones on my vest (required sewing) that's almost the cost of a vest. A shoe repair guy in my town did it for $25 with great box stitch work 
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If you get a $10 sewing awl, it comes with a fair bit of waxed nylon thread.
You can sew a lot of your own small stuff like that for next to nothing. It's plenty strong, just make sure to knot it every few stitches to lock it in and melt the ends to keep it from coming unraveled. It will never look like a machine job, although I've seen some really nice hand stitching, but it will be perfectly functional. If nothing else it's good to have and know how to use for quick repairs on any kind of heavy, flexible material. |
So you want the back harness off of the Eagle H Harness: Joined to the RRV: j5BR+Uc2IkG!~~60_57.JPG) Edit: This is one way you can have your HH6 Element, your local shoe repair shop, or the Mommasan down at the tailoring/dry cleaning/massage parlor execute the kit modification you have in mind, if I understand you correctly: So the RRV has to have the front 1.5"wide webbing dissected from the panel. The HHarness needs the front 3ea 1" attachment/load transfer straps cut off, ends seared. Then joined with a piece of 1.5" webbing sewn on top of the 1" strap remnants, and into the panel box stitched and bartacked, which puts the stress on the stitching. Or use the center 1" strap cut down, inserted into the panel box-stitched and bartacked, which helps some with load transfer, but still, the stress is going to be on the stitching on the RRV panel. Add a D Ring for the Bib hanger straps. 1" Mil W-43668 webbing is rated at 1000lbs, the 1.5" at 1500lbs, but just how much weight can one cram onto an RRV including a steel or ceramic ESAPI plate? Cut and sear the HHarness 1.5" rear vertical support straps, dissect the back corners of the HHarness to insert 1" webbing for the back corner attachment on the RRV. Heck, you might even want to mod the rear H Harness panel with a pull out 500d rear plate bag you can use when needed, tuck it inside the rear panel when not. Alternate modification: Or you can sew 1" male fastexes into the RRV, females onto the Eagle H Harness, so you can use the RRV as a detachable panel rig (with bib tucked in) on a full sized plate carrier system instead of just the front plate in the RRV. |
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Please conduct any and all business dealings via IM ONLY.
It's fine for an individual poster to ask a question like: "Does anyone know of a person who can so such-and-such sewing work?". It's also OK for other posters to say: "Sure, contact Member Joe Doaks.". It's NOT OK for Joe Doaks to show up and post about a prospective job. Joe should respond to the person making the request via IM ONLY. It's even OK for a team Member to post a review of Joe Doaks work, since it isn't Joe Doaks himself making the post. From the Code Of Conduct; reference in particular the emphasized portion in red: "SPECIFIC TO SALES Companies or individuals cannot advertise or sell products and or services in the forums (including siglines and titles) without prior approval from the site owners. Industry Partners are allowed to post sales or specials on a limited basis Companies or individuals interested in selling or trading equipment should resort to the Equipment Exchange. At no time should an item be listed in any discussion forum. This includes links to auctions. Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another person or group will be dealt with very seriously. NO GROUP BUYS OR FUNDRAISERS WITHOUT EXPRESS PERMISSION. Please IM Striker for more information." Ed Sr. has been very emphatic about this, and I am enforcing his rules.If anyone has any questions whatsoever about the relevant CoC rules, feel free to contact me via IM, or post in this thread. If there are future violations of the CoC along the lines of the above, I will consider imposing sanctions. I do NOT want to, but I will do so if my hand is forced. Now, I will tolerate a good deal, including some creative, non-blatant skirting of the rules. But my hands are tied when the long-standing CoC rules are blatantly violated. I trust you all see the difference. |
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Quoted: Please conduct any and all business dealings via IM ONLY. It's fine for an individual poster to ask a question like: "Does anyone know of a person who can so such-and-such sewing work?". It's also OK for other posters to say: "Sure, contact Member Joe Doaks.". It's NOT OK for Joe Doaks to show up and post about a prospective job. Joe should respond to the person making the request via IM ONLY. It's even OK for a team Member to post a review of Joe Doaks work, since it isn't Joe Doaks himself making the post. From the Code Of Conduct; reference in particular the emphasized portion in red: "SPECIFIC TO SALES Companies or individuals cannot advertise or sell products and or services in the forums (including siglines and titles) without prior approval from the site owners. Industry Partners are allowed to post sales or specials on a limited basis Companies or individuals interested in selling or trading equipment should resort to the Equipment Exchange. At no time should an item be listed in any discussion forum. This includes links to auctions. Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another person or group will be dealt with very seriously. NO GROUP BUYS OR FUNDRAISERS WITHOUT EXPRESS PERMISSION. Please IM Striker for more information." Ed Sr. has been very emphatic about this, and I am enforcing his rules.If anyone has any questions whatsoever about the relevant CoC rules, feel free to contact me via IM, or post in this thread. If there are future violations of the CoC along the lines of the above, I will consider imposing sanctions. I do NOT want to, but I will do so if my hand is forced. Now, I will tolerate a good deal, including some creative, non-blatant skirting of the rules. But my hands are tied when the long-standing CoC rules are blatantly violated. I trust you all see the difference. I didn't quote a price or time/labor estimate, just a discussion on how to go about doing the modification he is looking for, whether he has his HH6 element sew it on her home machine, has a local shoe shop sew it with white polyester shoe thread, or if Eggy or I wind up sewing it. That's how I saw the progression of discussion from OP to my reply. |
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Raf, I didn't quote a price or time/labor estimate, just a discussion on how to go about doing the modification he is looking for, whether he has his HH6 element sew it on her home machine, has a local shoe shop sew it with white polyester shoe thread, or if Eggy or I wind up sewing it. That's how I saw the progression of discussion from OP to my reply. Quoted:
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Please conduct any and all business dealings via IM ONLY. It's fine for an individual poster to ask a question like: "Does anyone know of a person who can so such-and-such sewing work?". It's also OK for other posters to say: "Sure, contact Member Joe Doaks.". It's NOT OK for Joe Doaks to show up and post about a prospective job. Joe should respond to the person making the request via IM ONLY. It's even OK for a team Member to post a review of Joe Doaks work, since it isn't Joe Doaks himself making the post. From the Code Of Conduct; reference in particular the emphasized portion in red: "SPECIFIC TO SALES Companies or individuals cannot advertise or sell products and or services in the forums (including siglines and titles) without prior approval from the site owners. Industry Partners are allowed to post sales or specials on a limited basis Companies or individuals interested in selling or trading equipment should resort to the Equipment Exchange. At no time should an item be listed in any discussion forum. This includes links to auctions. Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another person or group will be dealt with very seriously. NO GROUP BUYS OR FUNDRAISERS WITHOUT EXPRESS PERMISSION. Please IM Striker for more information." Ed Sr. has been very emphatic about this, and I am enforcing his rules.If anyone has any questions whatsoever about the relevant CoC rules, feel free to contact me via IM, or post in this thread. If there are future violations of the CoC along the lines of the above, I will consider imposing sanctions. I do NOT want to, but I will do so if my hand is forced. Now, I will tolerate a good deal, including some creative, non-blatant skirting of the rules. But my hands are tied when the long-standing CoC rules are blatantly violated. I trust you all see the difference. I didn't quote a price or time/labor estimate, just a discussion on how to go about doing the modification he is looking for, whether he has his HH6 element sew it on her home machine, has a local shoe shop sew it with white polyester shoe thread, or if Eggy or I wind up sewing it. That's how I saw the progression of discussion from OP to my reply. Ideally, and according to CoC, you should not have responded publicly, but gone straight to IM. Your responding publicly with a proposal constituted the beginning of a contract, which any sensible person would say was in violation of CoC. Hey, these are not my rules, but SITE rules. You do yourself a big favor, and keep things to IM, OK? In the meantime, let me see what I can do. No promises. You, Eggy, and all the other Gear-makers: Please stay off my radar screen. I, and the Staff and Mods have no choice bot to enforce the CoC, as written. |
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Good Lord, Raf...Stoner wasn't trying to conduct business. Are you telling us an individual gear maker (as in not corporately affiliated) can't even respond generically about a project in a gear tech forum? We all know they are SMEs and we highly value their opinions...
Is it they need to be Industry supporters? |
| Meanwhile, in the blade forum, there is a guy with a 26 page thread featuring his "Humble Submissions" where there is blatant sales pitching. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on that dude from Fallen Oak Forge - I hope to be half as good a knife maker as he is one day - but I think if he is allowed to clearly pitch his business in the manner he is doing (which I find totally acceptable, by the way) then this is clearly a double standard. Again, I don't see how anyone could construe Stoners post as anything but helpful - he clearly was not trolling for business. |
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Good Lord, Raf...Stoner wasn't trying to conduct business. Are you telling us an individual gear maker (as in not corporately affiliated) can't even respond generically about a project in a gear tech forum? We all know they are SMEs and we highly value their opinions... Is it they need to be Industry supporters? If they were IPs or Dealers, then their problems with the CoC would go away. I value their opinions, too, and I might want to use their services sometime in the future. I don't want to run them off, that's for sure. All I am saying is that the gear-builders/sewers need to keep anything that smacks of business dealings strictly to IM. They are welcome to comment on anything at all in a generic manner. As mentioned, their expertise is valued. However, at some point before the discussion becomes a business arrangement, take it to IMs. That's all I'm asking, and that's what the CoC, as quoted above, requires. As things stand right now, I have to enforce the CoC as it's written. I've sent an IM to Ed Sr. asking for some guidance on this issue. Stay tuned. |
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If they were IPs or Dealers, then their problems with the CoC would go away. I value their opinions, too, and I might want to use their services sometime in the future. I don't want to run them off, that's for sure. All I am saying is that the gear-builders/sewers need to keep anything that smacks of business dealings strictly to IM. They are welcome to comment on anything at all in a generic manner. As mentioned, their expertise is valued. However, at some point before the discussion becomes a business arrangement, take it to IMs. That's all I'm asking, and that's what the CoC, as quoted above, requires. As things stand right now, I have to enforce the CoC as it's written. I've sent an IM to Ed Sr. asking for some guidance on this issue. Stay tuned. Quoted:
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Good Lord, Raf...Stoner wasn't trying to conduct business. Are you telling us an individual gear maker (as in not corporately affiliated) can't even respond generically about a project in a gear tech forum? We all know they are SMEs and we highly value their opinions... Is it they need to be Industry supporters? If they were IPs or Dealers, then their problems with the CoC would go away. I value their opinions, too, and I might want to use their services sometime in the future. I don't want to run them off, that's for sure. All I am saying is that the gear-builders/sewers need to keep anything that smacks of business dealings strictly to IM. They are welcome to comment on anything at all in a generic manner. As mentioned, their expertise is valued. However, at some point before the discussion becomes a business arrangement, take it to IMs. That's all I'm asking, and that's what the CoC, as quoted above, requires. As things stand right now, I have to enforce the CoC as it's written. I've sent an IM to Ed Sr. asking for some guidance on this issue. Stay tuned. Sounds good. |
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OK, we have a new ruling on the relevant section of the CoC.
According to Ed, Sr, and I quote: "...since they are not competing with services provided by companies on the board we would let them do it as long as there was no links or advertising in the avatars." I interpret this to mean the following: If a poster types just a single period on a post--or nothing at all-- there should not be any advertising or links appearing anywhere at all within the entire post. IMs sent to eggrolly and Stoner. |
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Thanks for getting that all cleared up, RAF. And just to clarify, Egg & Stoner can still contribute their advice in posts as long as there is not a "buy from me" connotation in the post? Hopefully, they are not gunshy now and WILL still contribute, as their expertise has been quite invaluable throughout the years...
ETA: I don't understand the "...links or advertisement in their avatar" statement from Ed Sr. |
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Quoted: Thanks for getting that all cleared up, RAF. And just to clarify, Egg & Stoner can still contribute their advice in posts as long as there is not a "buy from me" connotation in the post? Hopefully, they are not gunshy now and WILL still contribute, as their expertise has been quite invaluable throughout the years... ETA: I don't understand the "...links or advertisement in their avatar" statement from Ed Sr. Same goes for the little quip below the avatar or in the automatic signature selected. Basically, no free advertising, for the sake of advertising. Anyhoooo, back to ol' Hippy here: the earlier mentioned ideas were the least intrusive. You can also remove the front three 1" attachment straps on each HHarness leg, and the 1.5" webbing you see running down the top of the leg fabric under the PALS strips. Run a new 1.5" section of webbing down each leg, extending into the RRV top seam then boxstitched and rebartack the PALS strips. That would pretty much make it look like factory made. OR, just replace a short section of 1.5" webbing hiding the seam under one of the PALS strips, to make it appear to be all one 1.5" webbing. But you reach the point of diminishing returns, all the stress is basically on that boxstitch you see where the 1.5" webbing goes into the top seam unless you extend the webbing into the RRV envelope then back up the front, sewn along the seam, then boxstitched at the top, then all the stress is distributed over the webbing sewn inside the RRV. 1" 17337 Spec webbing at 1200lb break strength is more than sufficient to suspend the weight of a ESAPI plus magazine load on the RRV, it all comes down to boxstitch and the thread thickness used and how many stitches per inch that will determine how much you can carry on it. Aesthetics and budget will drive how you alter the HHarness. |
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I can't put a company logo as my avatar without having paid as a dealer contributor. Same goes for the little quip below the avatar or in the automatic signature selected. Basically, no free advertising, for the sake of advertising. Anyhoooo, back to ol' Hippy here: the earlier mentioned ideas were the least intrusive. You can also remove the front three 1" attachment straps on each HHarness leg, and the 1.5" webbing you see running down the top of the leg fabric under the PALS strips. Run a new 1.5" section of webbing down each leg, extending into the RRV top seam then boxstitched and rebartack the PALS strips. That would pretty much make it look like factory made. OR, just replace a short section of 1.5" webbing hiding the seam under one of the PALS strips, to make it appear to be all one 1.5" webbing. But you reach the point of diminishing returns, all the stress is basically on that boxstitch you see where the 1.5" webbing goes into the top seam unless you extend the webbing into the RRV envelope then back up the front, sewn along the seam, then boxstitched at the top, then all the stress is distributed over the webbing sewn inside the RRV. 1" 17337 Spec webbing at 1200lb break strength is more than sufficient to suspend the weight of a ESAPI plus magazine load on the RRV, it all comes down to boxstitch and the thread thickness used and how many stitches per inch that will determine how much you can carry on it. Aesthetics and budget will drive how you alter the HHarness. Quoted:
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Thanks for getting that all cleared up, RAF. And just to clarify, Egg & Stoner can still contribute their advice in posts as long as there is not a "buy from me" connotation in the post? Hopefully, they are not gunshy now and WILL still contribute, as their expertise has been quite invaluable throughout the years... ETA: I don't understand the "...links or advertisement in their avatar" statement from Ed Sr. Same goes for the little quip below the avatar or in the automatic signature selected. Basically, no free advertising, for the sake of advertising. Anyhoooo, back to ol' Hippy here: the earlier mentioned ideas were the least intrusive. You can also remove the front three 1" attachment straps on each HHarness leg, and the 1.5" webbing you see running down the top of the leg fabric under the PALS strips. Run a new 1.5" section of webbing down each leg, extending into the RRV top seam then boxstitched and rebartack the PALS strips. That would pretty much make it look like factory made. OR, just replace a short section of 1.5" webbing hiding the seam under one of the PALS strips, to make it appear to be all one 1.5" webbing. But you reach the point of diminishing returns, all the stress is basically on that boxstitch you see where the 1.5" webbing goes into the top seam unless you extend the webbing into the RRV envelope then back up the front, sewn along the seam, then boxstitched at the top, then all the stress is distributed over the webbing sewn inside the RRV. 1" 17337 Spec webbing at 1200lb break strength is more than sufficient to suspend the weight of a ESAPI plus magazine load on the RRV, it all comes down to boxstitch and the thread thickness used and how many stitches per inch that will determine how much you can carry on it. Aesthetics and budget will drive how you alter the HHarness. That's correct. Advice, commentary, suggestions are welcome. While not covered in Ed Sr.'s dictum, I think it best for all concerned for strictly business discussions to be taken to IM. For example, a Member says "Can you do this?", or "I want to Mod my gear to do this." A gear-maker replies: "Well, you could do this, this, or this.", maybe describing in text or with text and pix. After a bit of discussion, Member says "I like alternative "B" ". Further discussion, being of a primarily business nature, are taken to IM. I think that sort of arrangement preserves the privacy of both parties, and prevents the thread from being clogged with extraneous posts. It allows the members to obtain the services they want, allows the gear-makers to earn some money and get some exposure, and taking things to IM past a certain point preserves the privacy of the business dealings, and avoids cluttering-up the thread. Any heartburn about this new arrangement? |
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May I unhijack my thread back to what I was looking for? Thanks...
Sorry about the lack of commo, I've been in and out of the hospital for an upper respiratory infection that wouldnt die. Stoner, you hit the nail on the head of what I want. But since HH6 tried on the H Harness and loves it, I was informed that I'm not going to get it back. With that being said, What would you charge to sew a back panel for my RRV? |
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