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12/16/2015 11:16:16 PM EDT
Looking at a MP5K-PDW clone (Bobcat Arms BW-89) with one magazine for $1,250.  Guys says it runs great and it looks basically new.
12/17/2015 2:36:25 AM EDT
[#1]
Bobcat doesn't have the greatest reputation for reliability , I'd go for one of those MKE guns from Atlantic if I were you.
12/17/2015 8:02:46 AM EDT
[#2]
My BW89 has run great since i purchased it, i have thousands of rounds through it.
I am not sure on the price though. I bought mine for roughly the same price, I am not sure if that clone maker holds its value or not.

I plan on sbr'ing it at some point.
12/17/2015 8:53:47 AM EDT
[#3]
I have a BW5 (full size) that runs great. Over time I've replaced most of the chincy parts. I gladly paid $1200 for mine several years ago. You really can't touch anything else at that price point.



If the receiver rails are nice and square, the grip frame sits parallel to the receiver, and the thing shoots straight, you really can't go wrong.



Bobcat did not make a whole lot of guns before the falling out with Todd Bailey. I know there are several long-time members over at HKPro that have had great luck with theirs as well, so I'm not just that one lucky SOB. No regrets here, and I would not trade it for any licensed or contract gun. At the end of the day, those things are meaningless. What's important is whether or not the example sitting in front of you was decently built. Contrary to popular belief, there have been just as many problems with MKEs and POFs as there have been with the US made clones, only the new imports haven't been around long enough to really rack up the numbers.



Know what to look for, go and inspect it firsthand, and if you can shoot it, even better.
12/17/2015 3:49:58 PM EDT
[#4]
I had a bobcat that took a lot of parts to make it run right. After that it was pretty good, sold It to buy a real hk94. As for the MKE guns having problem, well I haven't seen anyone complain. Mine has been 100%
12/17/2015 8:12:19 PM EDT
[#5]
The head-in-the-sand approaches don't work too well with these guns.



Jacked up Zenith MKE



Drunk Monkey Zenith MKE



German tooling doesn't mean German quality



The Rough Rider



Oh Snap!



That's just what's easily found via search, but issues like these extend back at least 5 years. To add fuel to the fire, Dakota Tactical reported that the many examples from the first batch of MKEs were in fact manufactured from used Turkish parts kits. Regardless of if they have a license to manufacture HK clones, that does not automatically equate to an excellent end product. The manufacturer needs to use high quality materials as well as tend to Quality Control/Quality Assurance. There are MKEs that are nice, and there are MKEs that are complete turds, echoing the same situation found in domestically manufactured clones.



Somewhere along the line, some AR guys ported over the idea that if a roller-locked gun wasn't manufactured by a licensed or contract manufacturer, then the gun in question was crap. Somehow they forgot the whole issue of materials selection and QA/QC. That did not stop them from filling the net with BS, though.
12/19/2015 11:15:42 AM EDT
[#6]
I never go over to HK pro so I've never seen those posts. I would consider the broken part problem to be minor ones and almost expected considering where they're made. Those crooked builds... Well that's a different story.
12/20/2015 12:07:53 AM EDT
[#7]
I ended up buying the gun.  It looks excellent.  The extractor seemed a little loose so if it didn't cycle that's where I'd start, but I took it out and it shoots great!  I've only put about 200 rounds through it all with zero issues.  About 100 rounds of NATO 9mm and a 100 round pack of Federal Champion.  I'm in love with this thing!  I'm not sure why I haven't looked for an MP5 style gun before now.  I'll get some pictures posted.
12/20/2015 10:00:50 AM EDT
[#8]
Congrats on the buy. My Bobcat fullsize took some parts to get running right, but it's chugging along just fine now. Feeds anything and suppresses really well.
12/20/2015 12:22:39 PM EDT
[#9]
congrats on the purchase, i love mine. I normally shoot WWB through it and have not had any issues.
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