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6/30/2010 8:40:53 AM EDT
I've been looking for a decent sized image on here an Google to send to an engraver to put on a rifle for my daughter.  I'm looking for the one where she's holding the AR.  Any help would be appreciated.
6/30/2010 3:44:52 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
Not technically correct.

You may parody someone else's work without worrying about copyright infringement.

I would say this is technically a parody.


Sanrio convinced the courts that Kalashna Kitty was not a parody...
6/30/2010 4:42:43 AM EDT
[#2]
I sent them an email requesting permission for a one-time thing that wouldn't be produced anymore and I would not sell.  Hopefully that will work...
6/30/2010 5:19:58 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Not technically correct.

You may parody someone else's work without worrying about copyright infringement.

I would say this is technically a parody.


Sanrio convinced the courts that Kalashna Kitty was not a parody...


Huh....really?

Then what the hell IS a parody to them?
6/30/2010 6:09:34 AM EDT
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6/30/2010 6:10:31 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Not technically correct.

You may parody someone else's work without worrying about copyright infringement.

I would say this is technically a parody.


WRONG
6/30/2010 6:43:44 AM EDT
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6/30/2010 6:45:54 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
I sent them an email requesting permission for a one-time thing that wouldn't be produced anymore and I would not sell.  Hopefully that will work...


Those requests seldom work for me.  Once they allow ANYONE (in writing), it weakens their copyright.  Bet they refuse.

6/28/2010 5:21:42 PM EDT
[#9]
You should be aware that the owners of the "Hello Kitty" trademark are rather harsh with people using their images without permission.  They sued the "Kalashna Kitty" folks out of existence for one T shirt image.
6/28/2010 5:22:56 PM EDT
[#10]





It's an AK, of course, but probably as close as you'll get.
6/28/2010 5:29:50 PM EDT
[#11]
Sanrio are ravenous towards copyright infringement

when I had my wifes kitty lower made I had to change it enough so it wasn't very hello kitty. Ie: remove the bow
6/28/2010 5:33:59 PM EDT
[#12]
How is it copyright infringement? You are just engraving one lower and not selling it. I thought profit had to be made or distribution to occur for it to be infringement.
6/28/2010 6:04:39 PM EDT
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6/28/2010 6:28:12 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
How is it copyright infringement? You are just engraving one lower and not selling it. I thought profit had to be made or distribution to occur for it to be infringement.


Nope, using someone else's intellectual property in any way without their permission is infringement.  The logic behind this is that perhaps Sanrio might want to market their own "X" product and you would have damaged their standing in the market.
6/28/2010 6:55:12 PM EDT
[#15]

Nope, using someone else's intellectual property in any way without their permission is infringement.  The logic behind this is that perhaps Sanrio might want to market their own "X" product and you would have damaged their standing in the market.


In theory, yes.  In actual practice, you'd be more likely to be struck by a meteor than to have a copyright lawyer pounce on you at the range.
6/28/2010 6:58:36 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:

Nope, using someone else's intellectual property in any way without their permission is infringement.  The logic behind this is that perhaps Sanrio might want to market their own "X" product and you would have damaged their standing in the market.


In theory, yes.  In actual practice, you'd be more likely to be struck by a meteor than to have a copyright lawyer pounce on you at the range.


+1

Check out EBAY they do not even have the time to enforce copyright on a major scale let alone a guy putting an image on a lower.
6/28/2010 6:58:40 PM EDT
[#17]
I would think a case could be made the use of Hello Kitty on a rifle or on the gun toting kitty on the shirts falls under fiar use, as a parody or political speech. That being said you could spend a lot of money to find out a judge does not agree.
6/29/2010 6:33:27 AM EDT
[#18]
Not technically correct.

You may parody someone else's work without worrying about copyright infringement.

I would say this is technically a parody.
6/30/2010 9:04:44 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Those requests seldom work for me.  Once they allow ANYONE (in writing), it weakens their copyright.  Bet they refuse.


Plus, once you've been requested in writing to not duplicate the image, you're really up shit creek if you do it.


Quoted:
Quoted:
Not technically correct.

You may parody someone else's work without worrying about copyright infringement.


WRONG


Rychencop, I'd like to know where you get your information; I'm not saying you gave an incorrect answer, but simply stating "wrong" doesn't explain how you came to that assumption or how you know this to be true.

I am not a lawyer, but I have personally dealt with this exact issue a number of times.  I'm a professional musician, and this stuff comes up on a constant basis.  Things like band logos, names, and ESPECIALLY with the tribute bands that use song titles and identical fonts for their names.  To sell it, that is, to distribute the work, whether parody or even similar likeness, there needs to be a minimum of 3 alterations that make the logo/brand noticeably different.  I have encountered on a number of occasions where even minor crossing into that territory will earn you a letter from their lawyers asking to to immediately halt the use and production of materials using such logos or names.

Some examples:
I couldn't call my band Metallica.  I can't use Metallica's logo. I can't use Black Flag's 4 staggered bars as a logo.  In that regard, the kitty is Hello Kitty's logo, and it would be wrong to reproduce.  I cannot do any of those things.

Here is what I CAN do:  I have a band called Not Quite Dead and we use the Metallica font predominantly as our logo, but have been known to use other well-known fonts to gather attention (like Iron Maiden, Star Wars, Marshall Amplification, etc); these fonts are not protected and are free for me to use on our website, flyers, or other materials.  I am also protected by the fact that the ONLY similarity that exists between my use of that font for a logo and their use is the lettering style itself, and it is thus a parody.  Metallica and all their team of lawyers cannot do or say anything to me about using their logo style for my own personal use.  But the second I put that logo on a T-Shirt or a sticker and sell it at a show, Metallica's lawyers will be contacting me.  (Which is often a good trick to get some autographs... usually from that prick Lars!)

So, I agree when you say he would get in trouble for using that logo - IF HE INTENDED on duplicating it, using it for his company logo, distributing it, making money from it, gaining market recognition or stealing a share of the market, etc.  Just like a band calling themselves Metallica or using Metallica's logo to call themselves Not Quite Dead and selling their wares; yes, that would be wrong.

I disagree with your assumption that it would be wrong if he intends on using it for his own personal enjoyment.  In this case, it is no different than getting Metallica tattooed across your chest; which is perfectly legal and often, acceptable - hell, recommended even.  If that were wrong, Warner Bros would have cases pending to get Taz removed from the shoulders of about 8 million 30-something women  in this country.
6/30/2010 3:31:08 PM EDT
[#20]
So what do they do with people who get a tatoo of the "protected" image? Sue them?
6/30/2010 7:15:16 PM EDT
[#21]
I'd charge them for advertising.
7/2/2010 12:01:37 AM EDT
[#22]
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8/4/2010 7:10:58 AM EDT
[#23]
Honestly, are the trademark owners really ever going to see it?  Relax, your daughter will love it.
8/5/2010 9:41:59 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
I sent them an email requesting permission for a one-time thing that wouldn't be produced anymore and I would not sell.  Hopefully that will work...


They will deny it, and now you're on the radar if you decide to go ahead.

Why should they give you permision - and with an "evil baby killing weapon of mass destruction" in their childrens character's hands ?
8/5/2010 9:47:35 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Not technically correct.

You may parody someone else's work without worrying about copyright infringement.

I would say this is technically a parody.


Sanrio convinced the courts that Kalashna Kitty was not a parody...


link/more info? It actually was pursued and went to court??
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