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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:00:13 AM EDT
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I need some help maximizing my first and maybe only (yeah yeah I know how that goes) suppressor purchase.
I don't have a lot of money to spend on guns and toys, but lately I decided to sell off all my guns that have calibers other than .22LR, 9mm or .223/5.56 to consolidate ammo purchases. So with proceeds from these sales I'm considering getting a suppressor and this is where I need some help from the more experienced parts of the hive. There are my potential hosts: In .22: AR15 CMMG complete upper (16" barrel) as well as a M&P22 Pistol. In 9mm: I may get a threaded barrel for my M&P9 or maybe getting a threaded Glock 17 or 19.I also have a TNW ASP that I'm planning to have the barrel threaded for and I may SBR it to balance the suppressor. In .223/5.56: AR15 (16" carbine DI) and who knows if I build a SBR if I have a suppressor for it but that would be in the future. Now I realize that most suppressors capable of rifle ammo will probable be large/heavy on a pistol save a few pistol cans that are good for 300blk Subs only. Due to my limited funds to spend on this, this may be my only suppressor (or at least for a long time). A suppressor that can withstand having the baffles dipped would be desired if possible/affordable. I would also probably prioritize an quieter suppression of the pistol calibers than the ability to fire .223/5.56 through it. My budget is not completely set yet as I have seen cans from $299 - $1300 and was hoping to see what the replies where before "making" my budget by weighing the Pros/Cons. |
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Based on your requirements, I'm probably go with the Liberty Mystic X.
It's got a user servicable titanium stainless mono-core and is rated for limited 16" .223 rifle use (not SBR though). You can get pistons for it for your 9mm guns and the core can be dipped, though I'd rather clean with stainless tumbling media than deal with hazmat myself. -bob |
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Based on your requirements, I'm probably go with the Liberty Mystic X. It's got a user servicable titanium mono-core and is rated for limited 16" .223 rifle use (not SBR though). You can get pistons for it for your 9mm guns and the core can be dipped, though I'd rather clean with stainless tumbling media than deal with hazmat myself. -bob It's actually SS. |
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The Mystic has a stainless core. The Infiniti has a Ti core.
However, the Mystic with appropriate mounts is not cheap. You could get a Trek from Phoenix, an Octane from Cherokee and a dedicated rimfire for around the price of a Mystic X when you figure in the cost of mounts. I'm not including the cost of the extra stamps but it'd be worth it. |
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I did/have done, nearly the same thing you are in the process you are doing now. I sold off unused calibers and guns that wouldn't supress well (Bye, bye AKs). I then used the proceeds to pickup suppressors and Form 1 SBRs and an SBS.
The Mystic is a great can; I don't regret it. And I envisioned it being my one and only suppressor. But I now have... More. As mentioned above, you can get at least two cans and stamps for the price of the Mystic and two mounts. Hard to argue with those facts. You are going to want a dedicated can for each gun that you shoot with any regularity. There's no wrong answer. But don't forget the price of mounts for each of the guns you plan to suppress. Quoted:
I need some help maximizing my first and maybe only (yeah yeah I know how that goes) suppressor purchase. I don't have a lot of money to spend on guns and toys, but lately I decided to sell off all my guns that have calibers other than .22LR, 9mm or .223/5.56 to consolidate ammo purchases. So with proceeds from these sales I'm considering getting a suppressor and this is where I need some help from the more experienced parts of the hive. There are my potential hosts: In .22: AR15 CMMG complete upper (16" barrel) as well as a M&P22 Pistol. In 9mm: I may get a threaded barrel for my M&P9 or maybe getting a threaded Glock 17 or 19.I also have a TNW ASP that I'm planning to have the barrel threaded for and I may SBR it to balance the suppressor. In .223/5.56: AR15 (16" carbine DI) and who knows if I build a SBR if I have a suppressor for it but that would be in the future. Now I realize that most suppressors capable of rifle ammo will probable be large/heavy on a pistol save a few pistol cans that are good for 300blk Subs only. Due to my limited funds to spend on this, this may be my only suppressor (or at least for a long time). A suppressor that can withstand having the baffles dipped would be desired if possible/affordable. I would also probably prioritize an quieter suppression of the pistol calibers than the ability to fire .223/5.56 through it. My budget is not completely set yet as I have seen cans from $299 - $1300 and was hoping to see what the replies where before "making" my budget by weighing the Pros/Cons. |
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As I mentioned in the original post, I would highly prioritize better suppression of the 9mm and .22 as I find myself not shooting the AR as much as my other guns, other than occasional classes I have taken.
So if I limit my self to 9mm and .22LR...how does the various 9mm suppressors compare, both on 9mm and on .22? Are the suppression performance pretty much the same and other features such as available mounts, weight/materials what sets them apart? |
| If you want one can for 9 and .22lr just get an octane and switch from the booster to a fixed mount for the .22lr. The 9mm should be in the 127 range with subs and .22 will be somewhere in the 120-121 range from the tests I have seen. Wieghts in at around 10oz and is user serviceable. |
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As an owner of the Octane, I really recommend against using it for general use on a .22 LR. The piston encapsulator is not removable from the tube and can only be cleaned by scrubbing with a brush (no US or stainless pin tumbling). The birdcage/encapsulator will foul up when using rimfire ammo (it gets pretty bad from using a 3-lug mount and carbon fouling) and it will become a bear to clean.
Besides, a fixed barrel mount is around $80-90 and that would put you halfway to 1/3 of the way to a dedicated rimfire can. |
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As an owner of the Octane, I really recommend against using it for general use on a .22 LR. The piston encapsulator is not removable from the tube and can only be cleaned by scrubbing with a brush (no US or stainless pin tumbling). The birdcage/encapsulator will foul up when using rimfire ammo (it gets pretty bad from using a 3-lug mount and carbon fouling) and it will become a bear to clean. Besides, a fixed barrel mount is around $80-90 and that would put you halfway to 1/3 of the way to a dedicated rimfire can. + 1. That and the sound suppression level is nothing like my spectre ii. Its not bad by any means but not as good. Works great for 9mm though. Honestly you need three cans to do it as a coverall. A 7.62 for your 5.56/308 range .45 for your 9-45 pistols. .22 lr you can't compromise on this guy at all or you will have a nightmare cleaning any non .22 can. If you can only get one right now I would but the .45 / 9mm suppressor and shot .22 out of it a few times. Skip the 5.56 if you don't shoot it often. |
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I'm a suppressor novice and went with the Mystic X for my first can (just took ownership last week and shot it this past weekend). It may not be the lightest, smallest, or quietest but for my first can the versatility it offers is what won me over. I also like the monocore design and variety of adapters. This allows you to test the NFA waters and see how serious you are about suppressor. In an ideal world having a dedicated can for every firearm would be great but sometimes that isn't realistic.  |
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Quoted: To clarify my priority: Main suppression host: http://www.multim.net/images/2015-03-15-14.28.48.jpg My TNW ASP. The .22LR AR and Pistol come in second and 9mm Hand gun host is third. I may also in the future build 9mm AR SBR. I bought my Mystic to run on: -Glock 19 -9mm AR SBR -Savage MKII -MP15-22 -16" AR I do have a true rifle can in jail (Dead Air Sandman) for my 5.56 SBRs and ultimately the 16" AR but I felt the Mystic would be great to introduce me to suppressors and hold me over as the collection grows. |
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That is all good I guess, but what I like to know, assuming I will not use it for any rifle calibers, does the Mystic-X cost including the mounts needed perform better than lower cost cans on the type of hosts I listed? Better than say a Griffin Armaments Revolution 9 or if I where to go low budget with a Huntertown Guardian 9?
This is what I'm trying to figure out - is the performance really different on these or is it mainly maintenance, materials/available mounts that differ once I limit my self to pistol caliber rounds? The Mystic X with a fixed thread mount and a booster for pistol use would be pretty pricey. |
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Quoted: That is all good I guess, but what I like to know, assuming I will not use it for any rifle calibers, does the Mystic-X cost including the mounts needed perform better than lower cost cans on the type of hosts I listed? Better than say a Griffin Armaments Revolution 9 or if I where to go low budget with a Huntertown Guardian 9? This is what I'm trying to figure out - is the performance really different on these or is it mainly maintenance, materials/available mounts that differ once I limit my self to pistol caliber rounds? The Mystic X with a fixed thread mount and a booster for pistol use would be pretty pricey. If you aren't going to shoot any rifle rounds then the Mystic X probably isn't your most cost effective option. Mounts are not included. |
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Let for shits and giggle just assume all I need is a can for the TNW - I have tried to listen to various cans on YouTube etc, but since they are all recorded with in different environments and with different equipment, there is no way to tell if there is any performance difference between them.
This is what I'm hoping to get some input here for - from people who have actually used various 9mm cans and know A and B cans are much quieter than X and Y, and Z just suck donkey  .
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| I have other suppressors but I recently purchased a Mystic X so I can have that one grab and go suppressor with a few mounts in tow and I can put it on whatever I commonly take to the range (9mm, 300BlackOut, 223/5.556, 22LR) Yes the mounts are pricey but it's very versatile. With their new H.A.T.E Ring you can used any of the Silencerco MADD mounts and make it a QD suppressor. Then for clean up it's going to go into the UltraSonic. |
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To clarify my priority: Main suppression host: http://www.multim.net/images/2015-03-15-14.28.48.jpg My TNW ASP. The .22LR AR and Pistol come in second and 9mm Hand gun host is third. I may also in the future build 9mm AR SBR. Wait does that have a left handed ejection port? Also if 9mm rifle is your main goal I would suggest getting a octane 9hd as that will be lower cost. Granted you will want a fixed mount. Which is another chunk of change. Griffon makes a basically identical can however it can go to a k mode by taking out part of the tube. Performance and cleaning they are ~ the same. Tirrant is a solid 9mm can but again not SS baffles so cleaning will be a chore. The octane and griffon can will both be able to use .22 although a dedicated can will work Better. These however won't work for ar. |
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Also if 9mm rifle is your main goal I would suggest getting a octane 9hd as that will be lower cost. Granted you will want a fixed mount. Which is another chunk of change. Griffon makes a basically identical can however it can go to a k mode by taking out part of the tube. Performance and cleaning they are ~ the same. Tirrant is a solid 9mm can but again not SS baffles so cleaning will be a chore. The octane and griffon can will both be able to use .22 although a dedicated can will work Better. These however won't work for ar. As the main gun I want to use the can for is the TNW i have gravitated to these same cans after online research...there is a demo day somewhat locally to me coming up in the end of April, and I hope to handle some of these cans then...I was hoping to already have purchased/filed the Form 4 by then, but I may hold off just to see them in action before making the final decision. The Tirrant is offered at a very good price right now, making it tempting event with the non dip-able baffles. I'm curious how well the vinegar soak is actually working without the Peroxide....supposed to be safe for aluminum but does it actually do anything about the lead? I don't mind soaking them for a while as I can create soak tube from PVC pipe. |
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