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Posted: 4/10/2015 1:26:51 PM EDT
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what part of the suppressor has to be marked?
if you marked the cap could you have more than one tube/body with baffles for it? |
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Most mark the tube. No spare parts allowed, thanks to FOPA. Quoted:
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what part of the suppressor has to be marked? if you marked the cap could you have more than one tube/body with baffles for it? Most mark the tube. No spare parts allowed, thanks to FOPA. What about repair parts? if I need to replace a worn baffle...do I just destroy the bad one first then make a new one? |
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what part of the suppressor has to be marked? if you marked the cap could you have more than one tube/body with baffles for it? The assembled suppressor must be marked, that's the bottom line. The ATF's answer to the question is: Q: What part of a silencer must be marked? A: The silencer must be marked in accordance with 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.92 and 479.102. The regulations require that the markings be conspicuous and legible, meaning that the markings may be placed on any external part, such as the outer tube or end cap. ATF strongly recommends that manufacturers place all required markings on the outer tube of the silencer, as this is the accepted industry standard. Moreover, this practice eliminates the need to remark in the event an end cap bearing the markings is damaged and requires replacement. The area of interest to me would be if you had two complete silencers and no extra parts...but the end caps were interchangeable. For instance, you built two .30 cal cans...say one 6" and one 9". Then, you made one with a 1/2-28 mount and the other with a 5/8-24 mount. If you engraved the tube, or even the end cap, they'd always be marked appropriately to match the form. Swapping the threaded adapters would simply allow you to direct thread them onto 5.56 and 7.62 (or 300BLK) cans depending on which length can you wanted to use. And you'd always have two complete setups with zero spare parts. Quoted:
What about repair parts? if I need to replace a worn baffle...do I just destroy the bad one first then make a new one? Sure you can, for $200 apiece. Q: May a Federal Firearms Licensee repair a silencer by replacing worn or damaged components? A: A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part. The term “repair” does not include replacement of the outer tube of the silencer. The outer tube is the largest single part of the silencer, the main structural component of the silencer, and is the part to which all other component parts are attached. The replacement of the outer tube is so significant an event that it amounts to the “making” of a new silencer. As such, the new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA. In the event that identical replacement parts for a silencer are not available, new and different component parts may be used as long as the silencer retains the same dimensions and caliber. In addition, the repair may result in a minimal reduction in the length of the outer tube due to rethreading, but repair may not increase the length of the outer tube. Increasing the length of the outer tube significantly affects the performance of the silencer and results in the “making” of a new silencer. As stated above, a new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA. Reducing the length of the tube by a minimal amount in order to repair a silencer is often necessary to replace damaged end caps, as the tube must be rethreaded. Such minimal reduction of the length of the tube uses all of the original parts, does not significantly affect performance of the silencer, and may be done as part of a repair process without making a new silencer. Persons other than qualified manufacturers may repair silencers, but replacement parts are “silencers” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(24) that must be registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA. |
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The assembled suppressor must be marked, that's the bottom line. The ATF's answer to the question is: Q: What part of a silencer must be marked? A: The silencer must be marked in accordance with 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.92 and 479.102. The regulations require that the markings be conspicuous and legible, meaning that the markings may be placed on any external part, such as the outer tube or end cap. ATF strongly recommends that manufacturers place all required markings on the outer tube of the silencer, as this is the accepted industry standard. Moreover, this practice eliminates the need to remark in the event an end cap bearing the markings is damaged and requires replacement. The area of interest to me would be if you had two complete silencers and no extra parts...but the end caps were interchangeable. For instance, you built two .30 cal cans...say one 6" and one 9". Then, you made one with a 1/2-28 mount and the other with a 5/8-24 mount. If you engraved the tube, or even the end cap, they'd always be marked appropriately to match the form. Swapping the threaded adapters would simply allow you to direct thread them onto 5.56 and 7.62 (or 300BLK) cans depending on which length can you wanted to use. And you'd always have two complete setups with zero spare parts. Sure you can, for $200 apiece. Quoted:
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what part of the suppressor has to be marked? if you marked the cap could you have more than one tube/body with baffles for it? The assembled suppressor must be marked, that's the bottom line. The ATF's answer to the question is: Q: What part of a silencer must be marked? A: The silencer must be marked in accordance with 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.92 and 479.102. The regulations require that the markings be conspicuous and legible, meaning that the markings may be placed on any external part, such as the outer tube or end cap. ATF strongly recommends that manufacturers place all required markings on the outer tube of the silencer, as this is the accepted industry standard. Moreover, this practice eliminates the need to remark in the event an end cap bearing the markings is damaged and requires replacement. The area of interest to me would be if you had two complete silencers and no extra parts...but the end caps were interchangeable. For instance, you built two .30 cal cans...say one 6" and one 9". Then, you made one with a 1/2-28 mount and the other with a 5/8-24 mount. If you engraved the tube, or even the end cap, they'd always be marked appropriately to match the form. Swapping the threaded adapters would simply allow you to direct thread them onto 5.56 and 7.62 (or 300BLK) cans depending on which length can you wanted to use. And you'd always have two complete setups with zero spare parts. Quoted:
What about repair parts? if I need to replace a worn baffle...do I just destroy the bad one first then make a new one? Sure you can, for $200 apiece. You have to submit a new form to replace baffles? I thought repair was covered under the original tax payment? and yea when I do mine I believe I will just mark the tube... saw the edit...gotcha... thanks for the help guys |
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Nope. Double F the ATF Quoted:
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You have to submit a new form to replace baffles? I thought repair was covered under the original tax payment? Nope. Double F the ATF Yeah I am reading more and more into it... man almost all of these laws are arbitrary and accomplishing nothing but red tape and bureaucracy... they have no practical effect on the safety of the community or country as a whole.. |
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You have to submit a new form to replace baffles? I thought repair was covered under the original tax payment? and yea when I do mine I believe I will just mark the tube... saw the edit...gotcha... thanks for the help guys Yeah, I was trying to add that Q/A so it would all be one post. I engraved the mounting ends of my first three, just because I wanted to. Makes the overall design a little cleaner, and there's plenty of material there so I didn't have to worry about how thin it left the wall. I'm going to engrave the end cap on the next three for some of the same reasons, but also for a different one related to my previous post. |
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Quoted: You have to submit a new form to replace baffles? I thought repair was covered under the original tax payment? and yea when I do mine I believe I will just mark the tube... saw the edit...gotcha... thanks for the help guys Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what part of the suppressor has to be marked? if you marked the cap could you have more than one tube/body with baffles for it? The assembled suppressor must be marked, that's the bottom line. The ATF's answer to the question is: Q: What part of a silencer must be marked? A: The silencer must be marked in accordance with 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.92 and 479.102. The regulations require that the markings be conspicuous and legible, meaning that the markings may be placed on any external part, such as the outer tube or end cap. ATF strongly recommends that manufacturers place all required markings on the outer tube of the silencer, as this is the accepted industry standard. Moreover, this practice eliminates the need to remark in the event an end cap bearing the markings is damaged and requires replacement. The area of interest to me would be if you had two complete silencers and no extra parts...but the end caps were interchangeable. For instance, you built two .30 cal cans...say one 6" and one 9". Then, you made one with a 1/2-28 mount and the other with a 5/8-24 mount. If you engraved the tube, or even the end cap, they'd always be marked appropriately to match the form. Swapping the threaded adapters would simply allow you to direct thread them onto 5.56 and 7.62 (or 300BLK) cans depending on which length can you wanted to use. And you'd always have two complete setups with zero spare parts. Quoted: What about repair parts? if I need to replace a worn baffle...do I just destroy the bad one first then make a new one? Sure you can, for $200 apiece. You have to submit a new form to replace baffles? I thought repair was covered under the original tax payment? and yea when I do mine I believe I will just mark the tube... saw the edit...gotcha... thanks for the help guys |
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If ATF considers baffles to be suppressors by themselves, How are they not, for the initial build of the suppressor, OR is it that the Form 1 only covers enough baffles that fit inside the tube, because its now a Form 1 suppressor assembly? Because they say so |
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What about repair parts? if I need to replace a worn baffle...do I just destroy the bad one first then make a new one? Recall that all the BATF gets on your F1 is overall length and caliber. How wide or what's inside is known only to you and those you show. The prohibition on repairs is the law for the F1 builder, but like some state laws against the types of sexual relation between consenting adults detecting the crime is problematic. You now know the law, your actions are your own. |
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