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Posted: 11/29/2016 11:17:18 PM EDT
| Has anyone made one? having a hard time shelling out almost $90 for one that isn't made specifically for my homemade can. |
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So, I've yet to make it, but I have drawn plans and done some research.
You can buy Nomex fabric, by the yard, or get a used pair of Dickies FR pants off ebay, for cheap. They're made from DuPont's Nomex type 3a. This is the same Aramid fabric used in firefighting gear. My plan was to use 3 layers against the can with an outer layer of 1000 denier nylon. 600 denier will work, and should do ok, but 1000 is so much better. You'll need to get Nomex yarn as well or plan to use brass rivets, which may scratch the can. Stitching through 1000 denier is not for the home machine so you'll need to go to a local sewing shop or leather stitcher. This is why I threw brass rivets in as you can get them from Home Depot for cheap. This should do well for everything I intend. I do not plan to use it one sustained mag dumps or FA fire. A constant 800F will permanently char the Nomex, just as it is designed. If you plan to do more than 1 cover, you should be able to drop the price to maybe $20/per. |
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Go to "riflesonly.com" and order the HAD cover($43.46 Shipped), Then go to "aircraftspruce.com" and order "Firesleeve Black 1-1/2 ID Fuel Transdcr CVR"($25.05 shipped) it comes buy the foot just cut it to fit. You will have a Heat cover for $68.51
ETA: https://www.riflesonly.com/had-outer-sleeve http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/gbfireslvft.php?theme=spruce2 |
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Quoted: Go to "riflesonly.com" and order the HAD cover($43.46 Shipped), Then go to "aircraftspruce.com" and order "Firesleeve Black 1-1/2 ID Fuel Transdcr CVR"($25.05 shipped) it comes buy the foot just cut it to fit. You will have a Heat cover for $68.51 ETA: https://www.riflesonly.com/had-outer-sleeve http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/gbfireslvft.php?theme=spruce2 |
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There's always these if it starts looking like homemade will be too pricey:
Silicone Covers |
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Really like that. I'm going to order two today. I'll tell you what I think of them after I try them out. For the price, I'll take a chance. Their ordering process bites a bit though; not the easiest site to navigate. |
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How easy is it to get the HAD cover over the fire sleeve? Is the paracord necessary to keep it in place? Very easy and you will need the paracord (which is high temp also) I have not had the time to put it to heavy use to test it yet but from what I have read it is gtg. |
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Thanks bro...you just gave the GD basement dwellers the source for cheap fleshlights with variable orifice sizing. |
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I bought a Silencerco cover today on sale. Under $60 shipped.
suppressor cover 
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I bought a Silencerco cover today on sale. Under $60 shipped. suppressor cover https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0157/8968/products/Suppressor-Pouch-EDIT_1024x1024.jpg?v=1460134985 That's what I'm doing. I ordered two of the non-high temp ones and if when they get here don't seem robust enough I'll probably order some of this as a pre-wrap https://www.amazon.com/010128-Titanium-Exhaust-Header-Wrap/dp/B002R4XLNU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1480702218&sr=8-9&keywords=dei titanium exhaust wrap&tag=vglnk-c102-20 It seems like a better deal. The Rifles Only cover doesn't have any heat resistance ability to it for that price. |
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That's what I'm doing. I ordered two of the non-high temp ones and if when they get here don't seem robust enough I'll probably order some of this as a pre-wrap https://www.amazon.com/010128-Titanium-Exhaust-Header-Wrap/dp/B002R4XLNU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&&tag=vglnk-c102-20;qid=1480702218&sr=8-9&keywords=dei titanium exhaust wrap&tag=vglnk-c102-20 It seems like a better deal. The Rifles Only cover doesn't have any heat resistance ability to it for that price. The rifles only HAD cover is a heat cover the MAD is not a heat cover. |
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The rifles only HAD cover is a heat cover the MAD is not a heat cover. "This does not come with the inner core and can not be used alone on your suppressor. Please contact if you are wanting this item." https://www.riflesonly.com/had-outer-sleeve Not at the $35 price. You only get the cordura outer sleeve which will burn quickly. |
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"This does not come with the inner core and can not be used alone on your suppressor. Please contact if you are wanting this item." https://www.riflesonly.com/had-outer-sleeve Not at the $35 price. You only get the cordura outer sleeve which will burn quickly. Yes you put the fire sleeve under it( thats why I listed the sleeve to ) I never said use the HAD alone, but the HAD cover has heat properties the MAD does not. There's youtube videos and plenty of info one it on the form1 suppressor boards. I think the title of the thread is "Let talk about covers" something like that. And the Silencerco cover is not high heat rated heres a quote from the page. USAGE NOTE Our high temperature covers are specially designed to hold up against a more vigorous firing schedule of up to three magazines of semi-automatic fire with a reasonable break between each magazine of at least a minute. Both versions are meant to mitigate mirage and protect against moderate or high temperatures; neither version is intended to be used during full auto or excessive rapid firing. |
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Yes you put the fire sleeve under it( thats why I listed the sleeve to ) I never said use the HAD alone, but the HAD cover has heat properties the MAD does not. There's youtube videos and plenty of info one it on the form1 suppressor boards. I think the title of the thread is "Let talk about covers" something like that. And the Silencerco cover is not high heat rated heres a quote from the page. USAGE NOTE Our high temperature covers are specially designed to hold up against a more vigorous firing schedule of up to three magazines of semi-automatic fire with a reasonable break between each magazine of at least a minute. Both versions are meant to mitigate mirage and protect against moderate or high temperatures; neither version is intended to be used during full auto or excessive rapid firing. I think you're missing the point of what you were saying and what you are trying to say as a response to me saying the SilencerCo cover is a better deal. You said the HAD is a heat cover. Technically, it isn't unless you buy the required internal sleeve. Once you buy the outer cover and a questionable inner sleeve you end up spending more money than the SilencerCo one that comes with advertised heat protection. No sleeve is going to be able to withstand sustained full auto heat. There are youtube videos of supposed 2200F resistant covers melting. It happens. |
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Really like that. Got them in a while back, just now put on the 1.5"X8". Excellent fit. Haven't shot it yet, won't get out for a couple weeks. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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I run a part time side sewing job and when I build suppressor covers I use carbonX, nomex, and 500 or 1000d. I'm aware of one other company that uses carbonX. CarbonX is made by a company in Utah and they say it can withstand 2600f degrees where as nomex is typically 800f resistant.
I do the following typically, two layers of carbonX, two layers of nomex, and a layer of 500 or 1000d which I prefer the 500 cause it's tiny bit lighter. Then sew it all together with nomex thread. The week point of the cover is the thread cause it's only good to around the 800 mark. If your getting it red hot then there is not much that can hold up to that kind of heat when your talking about lightweight fabrics. Doing it this way and doing it clean looking is not cheap if your only making one or two. A yard of carbonX is $50 for the 10oz, another $10 to $20 for yard of nomex depending on how good of nomex, and $5 to $20 for 500d depending on solid vs camo and what camo. Nomex thread another $10 or more depending on how much you order plus a few $$ on other small material bits to attach it to the suppressor. Not to mention a machine that can handle sewing these things without shredding a plastic gear after a couple built. If your making multiple then it might be worth to do it this way but if you only want one or two then buy professional or build ghetto if that's what you desire. |
here's little oomp for my SilencerCo (Cole-tac) covers. Titanium header wrap (1800F). I wrapped them and overlapped by 50% on each wrap.
My Omega with DM's YHM short Ti adapter. 
How it looks wrapped on my form 1 
Covers reinstalled 
The ends of the wrap do come unraveled easily after you cut a segment so I think I'm just going to fold a piece in on itself and sew it together. |
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The covers look nice.
Quoted: Titanium header wrap (1800F). The issue I see with these is that header wrap is specifically designed to hold the heat in. Suppressors work most efficient when they can breathe and shed heat. The suppressor's materials will stay at an elevated temp, for extended periods. This can fatigue them beyond their design. I'd recommend removing it after a long string of firing. |
| I'm going to have a can of compressed air with me if needed. Using my IR thermometer the hottest I've ever gotten a suppressor is 500F. These are intended to keep from burning my clothes with transitions or being able to put the gun in a case without burning it if it hasn't cooled down all the way. |
| Modern suppressor by the big names are able to withstand vary vary high temperature as part of normal operation so I don't think header wrap will hurt anything unless you are dumping ammo through it at a high rate like machine gun high rate. That is to say if the suppressor is full auto rated, if it's a titanium precision suppressor that is not meant for high rate if fire then that's a different story. |
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Im not going to argue with you about this. Its clear you have 0 metallurgy experience.
Is 17-4 a good choice for suppressors? Absolutely. Does 17-4, or most stainless steels, have an issue with holding elevated temps for extended periods? Yes. Example: 17-4 @ H900 (the strongest treated) will suffer a 30% loss in strength, when exposed to 1000F. Repeated cycles only serve to undermine its overall strength characteristics. I was offering a bit of advice for those less experienced not telling you your can is shit. Apparently you can build a form 1 suppressor and become an expert overnight 
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Whoa! That escalated quickly. Watch out, we got a bad ass over here.
Get back to me in 10 years and see if the metal in any of my suppressors has failed me. I'm not sure where you got the idea that any of my suppressors will ever get to 1000f. As I said before, I've never seen any of my suppressors get to even 500f after the longest period of the most intense shooting I've ever done with them. With your metallurgical experience please tell me how awesome it is working or consulting with all of the suppressor companies about how all of their suppressors are going to fail and they should rate them as full auto capable. |
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Unfortunately, I don't work in suppressor manufacturing.
My field deals w/ high pressure, oil & steam nozzles for industrial boilers operating in the 2600F range. I can see how my lack in understanding hi temp metals could confuse the topic. My sharing of information was directed at the group, not just yourself. Alas, everyone's firing schedule is identical to yours and all of their cans are commercially made and FA rated. My mistake. 'tis folly to be wise |
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Unfortunately, I don't work in suppressor manufacturing. My field deals w/ high pressure, oil & steam nozzles for industrial boilers operating in the 2600F range. I can see how my lack in understanding hi temp metals could confuse the topic. My sharing of information was directed at the group, not just yourself. Alas, everyone's firing schedule is identical to yours and all of their cans are commercially made and FA rated. My mistake. 'tis folly to be wise Your pretentious and condescending words mean nothing to me. You may act like your replies are for everyone, but when you specifically address my replies, my pictures, and send me a private message about it, that's how I'll take it; you're addressing me. Back to the subject now |
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