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Posted: 1/12/2013 3:30:38 PM EDT
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I have been looking at the Dillion 650... but a local gun store stocks the Hornady Lock-N-Load progressive press. Anyone here use this? What are your opinions of this equipment?
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I have two 650's and there great. Most people with the Hornady LnL love their press too. Dont think you will be disappointed if you buy either one. If you buy blue, there is two quick mods you should do to it before using it. Takes about 10 min and makes it buttery smooth to use.
The 650 comes with a case feeder, low primer alarm and the shell plate of your choice too, which is nice. |
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I looked verrrrrry closely at the 650, but bought a LNLAP. I love the LNL. What I recommend to those who ask is, if you plan on using a case feeder, get the 650. It's built around the case feeder. If you don't plan on using a case feeder, get the LNL. Either machine will work fine for you.
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I have both and use them both.
The LnL is great for special projects and for quick change over. Makes good ammo. The 650 makes lots of ammo in little time. If you are a competitive pistol shooter, the 650 is an important part of your ability to be competitive. If you have lots of special projects, the LnL is very versatile. Production rates on the 650 are twice that of the LnL. Do not even think of getting a 650 without a case feeder. Do not get a case feeder for the LnL. If you need lots of pistol ammo, get a 650. If you need flexibility, get an LnL. |
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I have both and use them both. The LnL is great for special projects and for quick change over. Makes good ammo. The 650 makes lots of ammo in little time. If you are a competitive pistol shooter, the 650 is an important part of your ability to be competitive. If you have lots of special projects, the LnL is very versatile. Production rates on the 650 are twice that of the LnL. Do not even think of getting a 650 without a case feeder. Do not get a case feeder for the LnL. If you need lots of pistol ammo, get a 650. If you need flexibility, get an LnL. twice? really? care to back that up? |
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I have both and use them both. The LnL is great for special projects and for quick change over. Makes good ammo. The 650 makes lots of ammo in little time. If you are a competitive pistol shooter, the 650 is an important part of your ability to be competitive. If you have lots of special projects, the LnL is very versatile. Production rates on the 650 are twice that of the LnL. Do not even think of getting a 650 without a case feeder. Do not get a case feeder for the LnL. If you need lots of pistol ammo, get a 650. If you need flexibility, get an LnL. twice? really? care to back that up? Nope. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I have both and use them both. The LnL is great for special projects and for quick change over. Makes good ammo. The 650 makes lots of ammo in little time. If you are a competitive pistol shooter, the 650 is an important part of your ability to be competitive. If you have lots of special projects, the LnL is very versatile. Production rates on the 650 are twice that of the LnL. Do not even think of getting a 650 without a case feeder. Do not get a case feeder for the LnL. If you need lots of pistol ammo, get a 650. If you need flexibility, get an LnL. twice? really? care to back that up? The Reloading Forum is a technical forum and we have a higher standard for posts here than in GD. You can disagree politely if you wish, but your post is out of line in this forum. dryflash3
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I have both and use them both. The LnL is great for special projects and for quick change over. Makes good ammo. The 650 makes lots of ammo in little time. If you are a competitive pistol shooter, the 650 is an important part of your ability to be competitive. If you have lots of special projects, the LnL is very versatile. Production rates on the 650 are twice that of the LnL. Do not even think of getting a 650 without a case feeder. Do not get a case feeder for the LnL. If you need lots of pistol ammo, get a 650. If you need flexibility, get an LnL. I appreciate your insight... do you mind a further explanation as to why one would not want a case feeder for the LnL? The reason I ask is this video shows one being used on a LnL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AfKR5cyqi4 |
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I have both and use them both. The LnL is great for special projects and for quick change over. Makes good ammo. The 650 makes lots of ammo in little time. If you are a competitive pistol shooter, the 650 is an important part of your ability to be competitive. If you have lots of special projects, the LnL is very versatile. Production rates on the 650 are twice that of the LnL. Do not even think of getting a 650 without a case feeder. Do not get a case feeder for the LnL. If you need lots of pistol ammo, get a 650. If you need flexibility, get an LnL. I appreciate your insight... do you mind a further explanation as to why one would not want a case feeder for the LnL? I have the case feeder and lnl, it can be a pain sometimes. it takes a lot of tweeking to get it to run good at times. I can live with it for the price diff. because it loads some very accurate ammo. the case feed on the hornady was an after thought in my opinion. they had the press then said hey can we put a case feeder on it. where as the dillon is designed around the case feeder so i have heard it works pretty much flawlessly. You won't get that with the lnl. I have mine running pretty good now but if you change calibers or what not you usually have to tweek it some more. i have been depriming brass the last 2 weeks. i have run 40lbs of 45 acp and 36lbs of 40 though my lnl with case feed. it ticked me off a few times but i got it running like clock work now. ran some 308 through it last night with out a problem 5-600 cases. |
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I have the LNL AP.
I bought it when Hornady was giving away 1K bullets when buying the press. Can't beat the price then since I received 1K Hornady 230 gr 45 bullets. It's easier, quicker, and cheaper to switch calibers using the Hornady Press over the Dillon. They are both good presses though. I've had to make a few adjustments to get it to run perfectly, but after adjusting it's smooth as silk. If you reload 45 ACP you need the #45 shellplate not the #1. |
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I looked verrrrrry closely at the 650, but bought a LNLAP. I love the LNL. What I recommend to those who ask is, if you plan on using a case feeder, get the 650. It's built around the case feeder. If you don't plan on using a case feeder, get the LNL. Either machine will work fine for you. This question comes up frequently here, and this quote seems to be a general consensus. The regulars here usually agree that the 650 offers superior volume and case feeding but the LNL AP may offer more precision on rifle rounds (I know, debateable). I chose the LNL AP recently and get tolerances and repeatability on par with my single stage. Also, I love quick change bushings and the included powder measure! You will love either machine without a doubt. If you don't like the 650 you could probably sell it for near what you paid. |
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Have both presses, for now LNL AP is on the bench. Both XL650 and quasi-550 are clamped on tool cart. I see where some tool measuring took place above. XL650 has a higher production rate of AP. That's fact, not opinion.
AP is a slower press by design, there's not a progressive press made as solid top and bottom than an AP. 1050 is close to being as tight on top, but does float a little. AP is my progressive rifle press, once I get 90 grain Culver powder measure from Harrells I doubt I will load .308 Winchester or .223 Remington again single stage. AP will not afford run out like other progressives will. XL650 floats top and bottom by design. It's a race press, only one press made to run faster, Super1050. XL650 was designed for speed with action pistol competition in mind. XL650 manufactures a lot of practice ammunition fast. With two people XL650 will produce the 800 rounds per hour Dillon rates it for using low case volume powders. I load plinker .223 Remington with 650 and that's it for rifle. XL650 really shines for sizing/trimming using RT-1200 trimmer. XL650 and Hornady AP aren't the same class of press and make poor comparisons. One is geared for speed, the other geared for precision work. Comparing one to the other is laughable. If comparing a Dillon product to Hornady it's best to compare RL-550 to AP. Side note for AP owners. I live in the " Sho-Me." Anytime someone would like to stop by and match AP speed to XL650 speed, stop by. Bring your own souped up, hot rodded AP w/case feeder if you like. Just prepare yourself for dissapointment. I can fault my 650 in several ways, speed ain't one of them. 
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Have both presses, for now LNL AP is on the bench. Both XL650 and quasi-550 are clamped on tool cart. I see where some tool measuring took place above. XL650 has a higher production rate of AP. That's fact, not opinion. AP is a slower press by design, there's not a progressive press made as solid top and bottom than an AP. 1050 is close to being as tight on top, but does float a little. AP is my progressive rifle press, once I get 90 grain Culver powder measure from Harrells I doubt I will load .308 Winchester or .223 Remington again single stage. AP will not afford run out like other progressives will. XL650 floats top and bottom by design. It's a race press, only one press made to run faster, Super1050. XL650 was designed for speed with action pistol competition in mind. XL650 manufactures a lot of practice ammunition fast. With two people XL650 will produce the 800 rounds per hour Dillon rates it for using low case volume powders. I load plinker .223 Remington with 650 and that's it for rifle. XL650 really shines for sizing/trimming using RT-1200 trimmer. XL650 and Hornady AP aren't the same class of press and make poor comparisons. One is geared for speed, the other geared for precision work. Comparing one to the other is laughable. If comparing a Dillon product to Hornady it's best to compare RL-550 to AP. Side note for AP owners. I live in the " Sho-Me." Anytime someone would like to stop by and match AP speed to XL650 speed, stop by. Bring your own souped up, hot rodded AP w/case feeder if you like. Just prepare yourself for dissapointment. I can fault my 650 in several ways, speed ain't one of them.
Thank you for this very detailed explanation... I have decided that the LnL is what I want. |
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Glad to help. Now let's flip that coin with someone posting, "looking for the best press to load practice pistol ammunition between AP w/feeder or XL650 w/case feeder."
Answered truthfully, based on experiences ? XL650, without question if speed is of emphasis. For me fitting the task to the press is important. I could care less who makes it and stays within budget. |
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Thank you for this very detailed explanation... I have decided that the LnL is what I want. yup, that's the same conclusion i came to as well :-) Yes, thanks for the details. After reading this thread and others, my choice between a 550 or LNL AP was easier to make. |
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