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Posted: 11/27/2006 2:18:53 PM EDT
.. New suppressor's in.. Now what.?  Hehehe.. It's a SWR Omega 30 and I have 2 .308 AR's (Armalite and DPMS) and an LTR stock w/SS bottom metal waiting to figure out which way to go.. Goal is to do some stealthy varmint removal for some local folks.. Coyote are becoming an issue and they're getting more prevelant in "populated areas".... I've been reloading for eons and paying that much for ammo just chaps my hide no end.. I've seen reference to some IM'ed load data and would greatly appreciate any help and/or references (usual disclaimers and cautions apply).. ..The guy I got the Armalite from had the same supressor so it's already "setup" for it.. All I have on the DPMS is the proper threads and an adjustable gas block, if needed.. I'm pretty sure the bolt gun or mebbe even something on the Contender would be "the ticket" but ya knows I's jest gonna hasta play with at least one of the "black guns"..  Or even something else on one of the standard AR lowers.? Geez.. Here I go again..  ..Yeah, I'm jazzed.. I'm an ex BR shooter and constant varminter trying to add another dimension to my hobby.. Night vision gear was the last fling and that stuff is a hoot.!! .. Which way from here.? Thanks a bunch.!! d:^) Jake |
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hello. here is a couple of loads for you for 308. these have been super quiet. you can work them up to function in your gun. i will let you play with the grains. 8 grains of trail boss with a 220 grain sierra soft point. cci mag primer 7 grains of accurate arms solo 1250. meister cast 165 grain bullet. you could also substitute a different bullet, but start with about 6 grains and go up. powders that work best for subsonic: imr 4227, h4227, aa nitro 100, solo 1000, imr 700x, 800x, imr 7625. there are a few others, but this should be more than you need. always start low on grains and work up. as always, i accept no responsability for any of these reccomendations! kirk |
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Hey fellas, thanks a bunch.!! I just happened to have a jug of the Trail Boss hangin around.. How conveeenient.. .. I'm still trying to figure which case to go with on the bolt gun and/or whatever else "gets the duty".. I'd like a coupla hundred yards maybe (150ish'd prolly do, tho') and quiet cycling of some sort.. Is there a FAQ or some other general sub sonic/supressed reference somewhere.? SB- Where in Va.? Part of what I need to do will be in the Fancy Gap area.. .. Thanks, again.!! d:^) Jake |
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I'm using near;y the same load as SB, except 10.0gr and Rem primers. I'm getting right around the same velocity as well. In my AR10, the load shoots dead on 1 mil/3.5" low from my full power load at 100 yards. It doesn't cycle the bolt at all, which I'm o.k. with, because it keeps it quieter. The report is comparable to my P22/Pilot. Accuracy is around 1", and energy is still good. I shot a milk jug full of water this weekend and it ripped the whole side out of it. It's also simple enough to cycle the 10. Kind of like a straight pull bolt action. I seat my rounds to the groove in the Hornady 170gr FPs just to take up a bit more of the case. Congrats and go show off for your friends. Cans are one of the quikest converters to make people like guns. when they hear them, they want one. |
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..Hmmm.. According to a few folks I've talked with no matter what case/upper setup I go with there's no such thing as a functioning semi-auto suppressed rig inna "rifle" cartridge.? If that's the case methinks I'd just as soon go with something that cycles a little more gracefully than an AR.. I'd hate to have scored a coyote w/spares and then hafta let that BCG slam forward before firing again.. .. What kindof alternatives are worth looking into.? I imagine it'd hafta be something that could readily have the barrel removed for threading, cycles quietly with minimal movement and is available in suitable cartridges.. What else.? Thanks.!!  Jake |
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Subsonic is not going to be all that good on coyotes. They are tough as nails and you will be wounding a lot of animals. I once lost a coyote just from using 150gr ball at conventional velocity because the bullet punched a small hole rather than producing an incapacitating wound. The best .308 load I ever used on coyotes incorporated the 110gr VMAX bullet. A close second choice is Nosler's 125gr Ballistic Tip. Load either of these bullets up near max velocity and they kill almost instantaneously. The VMAX will produce a ca 3" exit hole and turn even the biggest coyote's guts into soup. With a silencer, high velocity loads will be quieter than an unsuppressed .22 rimfire. That should be quiet enough for just about use. When it comes to hunting you need to balance noise with terminal effects. |
..Thanks for the vote of confidence in my shooting capabilities and judgement.. Hehehe.. I'll admit it does look like the numbers are a bit unimpressive when checking them via Point Blank.. But then again, I've killed larger K-9's with great results using .22 CB Longs and proper placement/judgement.. As with almost anything, the theory and the reality may not necessarily agree.. Either way, we have to work within the limitations of ourselves and our equipment.. With just few days time checking into this subsonic thing it's looking like I'd be just as well off lobbing a large dimeter, heavy chunk of lead like a .45 or some such.. At least the energy would be pretty good.. Using target knobs or other compensating gadgets for shots around 100 yards or so will sure seem weird.. 
..Nope, I disagree.. I think ya lost the coyote 'cause the shot placement was off (or if you're a fur gatherer maybe ya just couldn't find it, stuff happens).. A .30 cal hole in the vitals may not get you your DRT every time, but it is fatal.. "Clean thru" shots are nice on deer for tracking but there's a lot of excess energy wasted on the object directly behind the exit wound.. There's a lot of gas expended on discussing how much energy is enough.. Meanwhile, poachers worldwide continue to take deer with .22 Shorts and other such "pea shooters".. .. Since you're a coyote hunter I do have a question for ya.. If you've hunted over a carcass or some other "bait", what kindof reaction do you get with your suppressed full power loads.? About all I have to go on really is the info from the guy I got the AR10 from.. He said they'd just stand there for a bit before taking off.. Whay say you.? Most of my hunting has been done via FoxPro/Mouth calls and a shotgun is the ticket.. Sitting over a bait seems pretty boring but I gotta work on these dogs' numbers or I won't be able to attend the family reunion in peace.!! Hehehe.. Thanks.!! Jake
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.. Only one obvious big problem with this plan.. I'd prolly end up skipping the hunt and having a cookout.!!  Hehehe.. And one better along that plan, there's this old codger down at the club who said he's eat the first coyote I called in and killed down there ( Would this be some extreme version of "eating crow".? ).. He's been close to that fine meal a few times but I was mis-armed with a rifle.. Methinks the shotgun will be the ticket for this work around there when calling.. The action is pretty fast and usually close in.. .. Also, there's a guy in my hunt club that runs a chicken house.. He said I could have all the dead chickens I want.. I've been trying to start a "carcass dump" site with the guts and roadkills from this year.. I've yet to hunt it to see if it's worth fooling with, tho'.. This is where the suppressed rig and NV come into play..  Jake
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I didn't say I missed, only that I lost the yote. We found what was left of the corpse about 10 yds inside the treeline, approximately 150 yds from where I shot the thing. If a high velocity solid won't anchor a coyote then I am pretty sure a subsonic solid is going to do even worse. I have seen coyotes drag themselves into the woods missing limbs or with their guts trailing behind. These are TOUGH animals and it will take more than a puny .30 cal hole through one to anchor it.
I haven't had a chance to shoot coyotes with a suppressor. However they are very used to being hunted and will likely bolt from the sound of a supersonic miss. On the other hand I have killed more than one at a time because the second coyote never ran after the first unsuppressed shot.
That is highly likely. |
'Sorry to be slow.. I just got back from the hunt club.. Bagged a Bobcat..
..Neither did I.. Just that the shot placement may have not been so good.. Under field conditions perfect placement just doesn't always happen.. Especially on predators.. I got a bad one on a nice deer this year and I'm still kicking myself over it.. But then again, I'm still kicking myself for NOT taking a shot at a very nice buck 4 years prior.. So damned if I do, damned if I don't ..
.. A subject of occasional great debate over on my home digs at Go Go Varmint Go Message Board.. Which usually goes something like "anything that goes thru is over-penetrating" and "anything that doesn't expends all energy in the target" Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.. And then usually ends with all agreeing to disagree.. SOS.. Jake
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