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Posted: 6/8/2010 12:15:20 AM EDT
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Hi guys, I am new to this so please give me a little rope.
I'm starting the process and may go this route because of uncertainty of local chief. What type of lawyer do you seek for this purpose? Any ole lawyer will do or do you get a firearms expert to create the trust. I'm not to smart with legal matters, green behind the ears, so I think a real lawyer should do the first one...Thank you! |
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Quicken route = supposedly questionable, though ultimately, as long as you have the basic info entered correctly, your fine.
Trust/Estate Attorneys can do it, but it will cost you, and will usually end up being the same thing as what Quicken/family Lawyer/etc will provide. Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. |
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are u in florida Thanks, my personal info was not displayed! I found a NFA trust lawyer in CT and have started the service. Should have everything by this weekend or next week. The only thing is, this guy charges $750 !! Because it's my first time, I didn't want any problems with paperwork etc so I just went to who I thought would do the best job for me. I tried the PD and I was getting a little ignored.  So, this was plan B. Even though the trust was expensive to do, I'm glad I went!
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. |
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. Mine was created by someone that specializes in creating trust for NFA items and I have read it against others from Will Maker and Legal Zoom.com and I would have to say that mine is not worded the same. |
| I used the quicken program I then had an attorney review it and specifically told them it was for NFA items. The only thing I added to the trust wording was the following: The beneficiaries may not have personal possession of the items if legally not allowed. The attorney said everything looked good. |
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. Mine was created by someone that specializes in creating trust for NFA items and I have read it against others from Will Maker and Legal Zoom.com and I would have to say that mine is not worded the same. If you wouldn't mind sharing, what is different? |
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. Mine was created by someone that specializes in creating trust for NFA items and I have read it against others from Will Maker and Legal Zoom.com and I would have to say that mine is not worded the same. So how is yours worded differently? I think that is what he is asking. Is there some super secret squirrel club to join before someone can provide those specific differences? I mean, WTF is it with sharing this kind of information?
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. Mine was created by someone that specializes in creating trust for NFA items and I have read it against others from Will Maker and Legal Zoom.com and I would have to say that mine is not worded the same. So how is yours worded differently? I think that is what he is asking. Is there some super secret squirrel club to join before someone can provide those specific differences? I mean, WTF is it with sharing this kind of information?
It may be worded a differently, but the legal result is the same. Creating a VALID trust is really not that difficult. Sure, it may make someone feel better to have some special language in there that addresses any unusual personal circumstances and I'm all for that if someone feels THEY need it. |
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. Mine was created by someone that specializes in creating trust for NFA items and I have read it against others from Will Maker and Legal Zoom.com and I would have to say that mine is not worded the same. So how is yours worded differently? I think that is what he is asking. Is there some super secret squirrel club to join before someone can provide those specific differences? I mean, WTF is it with sharing this kind of information?
Do you want me to recite a 15 page document? I mean you can use Will Maker or any of the legal websites to make you a trust. I know a lot of people that have done it and not have any problems with it. For what I paid for my lawyer to do mine, it was a steal and plus if I ever have any questions about a transfer or need to have it redone, it's not a problem I know it will be done right. There is a lot of ways to build a trust. Just that many of us don't mind paying someone to do it. |
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Just make sure that if you go with an Attorney that they're versed in how the NFA trust should be layed out. Easy stuff once you understand the general language and whats required. I'm not attacking you, just asking questions that I never can find an answer to and you just happened to be the one that posted about the NFA trust language. How is a NFA trust different than a regular trust? I have seen several post where people say that they are different however no one can ever say what wording, items, language, ect in the trust are different. If a NFA trust is different how do the quicken trust make it through the process? I would think that if the wording is that critical that the quicken trust would never get approved. I am thinking about setting up a trust however I can never find the answers to these questions. We have a family friend that is a lawyer and he has set up family trusts, wills, ect for years. We were thinking about having him set up a trust for us but we can never find the differences between the 2 trust to tell him about. It just seems like the difference is a mystery. Any help would be appreciated. There is no difference. Mine was created by someone that specializes in creating trust for NFA items and I have read it against others from Will Maker and Legal Zoom.com and I would have to say that mine is not worded the same. So how is yours worded differently? I think that is what he is asking. Is there some super secret squirrel club to join before someone can provide those specific differences? I mean, WTF is it with sharing this kind of information?
Do you want me to recite a 15 page document? I mean you can use Will Maker or any of the legal websites to make you a trust. I know a lot of people that have done it and not have any problems with it. For what I paid for my lawyer to do mine, it was a steal and plus if I ever have any questions about a transfer or need to have it redone, it's not a problem I know it will be done right. There is a lot of ways to build a trust. Just that many of us don't mind paying someone to do it. How about just the specifics you mentioned that you noticed were different. Doesn't have to be word for word. |
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Total and typical douchebaggery. There's no difference. If he can't say what looks remotely different then he can't give you specifics. At this point, it's a matter of there are more than two ways to skin a cat. If anything, I'd bet Messiah's super duper NFA lawyer is probably an old crotchety fucker who doesn't care to keep up on legal jargon and still edits the same old Lotus document that he's been using for 13 years. But, if there is a difference, it's not important. |
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Total and typical douchebaggery. There's no difference. If he can't say what looks remotely different then he can't give you specifics. At this point, it's a matter of there are more than two ways to skin a cat. If there is no difference and there is more then two ways to skin a cat? Contradicting yourself much? As we all have said there is more then one way to do it. What wrong with using a lawyer to draw up some paperwork? I don't walk around with my trust so to pick the words and sections in the trust off the top of my head would be impossible. I have't even looked at it in the past year. The trust sits in my safe, I really have no interest in reading it over and over, trying to remember it verbatim. At most I take it out to make a copy and send it off with my Form 4 or 1, whatever I am going to be sending off at the time. If anything, I'd bet Messiah's super duper NFA lawyer is probably an old crotchety fucker who doesn't care to keep up on legal jargon and still edits the same old Lotus document that he's been using for 13 years. But, if there is a difference, it's not important. Actually, he is a active member on arfcom. But you are right, he is a old crotchety fucker. 
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If you guys want to go the least expensive route then do it but personally I didn't mind spending some money to have a lawyer do it. I do think that Gun Trust Lawyer charges too much though. I think a reasonable fee is $200-400. I'll give you specific examples: Does your trust list firearms specifically in your Exhibit A section? List definitions of firearm specific terms used? List specifics of ownership, transfers, and prohibited transfers? Does it say NFA or BATFE anywhere? |
| NFA trust is defiantly different, mine address a couple of issues that would only apply to NFA items. Like form 5 transfers to my family members listed on the trust, who the items go to/who takes possession if I would be convicted of a felony, registration issues that just apply to the state of Louisiana, the schedule A the specifically involves firearms, loads of NFA laws for my family to read who are not nearly as versed on them as I am if they were to take possession, etc.. Theres atleast triple that of what I noted above thats just what I could think of on the top of my head without reading the 35 page document. |
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There is a difference. If you guys want to go the least expensive route then do it but personally I didn't mind spending some money to have a lawyer do it. I do think that Gun Trust Lawyer charges too much though. I think a reasonable fee is $200-400. I'll give you specific examples: Does your trust list firearms specifically in your Exhibit A section?....doesn't matter if you have firearms listed or not. List definitions of firearm specific terms used?......one can simply put that down in writing in safe place along with the trust itself. No requirements for a trust to INCLUDE that language for the trust to be VALID. List specifics of ownership, transfers, and prohibited transfers?....again, these are just instructions readily accessible elsewhere. Does it say NFA or BATFE anywhere?......doesn't matter. Like I said, I don't see any real problem with paying a lawyer to do this for you. BUT, if you don't, the sky ain't falling. YMMV. |
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There is a difference. If you guys want to go the least expensive route then do it but personally I didn't mind spending some money to have a lawyer do it. I do think that Gun Trust Lawyer charges too much though. I think a reasonable fee is $200-400. I'll give you specific examples: Does your trust list firearms specifically in your Exhibit A section?....doesn't matter if you have firearms listed or not. List definitions of firearm specific terms used?......one can simply put that down in writing in safe place along with the trust itself. No requirements for a trust to INCLUDE that language for the trust to be VALID. List specifics of ownership, transfers, and prohibited transfers?....again, these are just instructions readily accessible elsewhere. Does it say NFA or BATFE anywhere?......doesn't matter. Like I said, I don't see any real problem with paying a lawyer to do this for you. BUT, if you don't, the sky ain't falling. YMMV. Hey, someone asked what the wording difference is between them and you said none. Obviously there is wording differences and now you say they don't matter. Do what you want but I am responding to incorrect information given by people that do not have an NFA firearm specific trust. The BATFE approves almost anything that has their current criteria for a Trust. Does that mean they won't change their crieteria? No Does it mean my super duper ultra elitist asshole Trust is better than the Quicken one? Not necessarily Do I have a better chance of my Trust not being made invalid or misinterpreted because it has very specific language in it? Probably Do my NFA items listed in my Trust go to my kids if both my wife and I get hit by a bus? Depends if they are 21 Does the government get your NFA items if you have a basic Trust that doesn't specify that your NFA items are to be held for them until they are 21 if all listed Trustees are deceased? Yup but they don't get mine But I guess it doesn't matter since the BATFE would never just change something without any reasoning that could really screw up law abiding citizens. BATFE Revises Policies on Firearms "Transfers" |
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If you can't figure that stuff out on your own, you do need a lawyer. Law is only as complicated as you want to make it. That said, mine can be amended at any time using the process withing the Trust itself. People are making much ado about nothing. Amending your Trust does nothing to the copy the BATFE has on file which is what counts. Again, does it matter? Hopefully not Do I want the best chance that I won't have to pay another stamp or hold an illegal NFA item if my Trust is somehow invalidated? Hell Yes but nothing is a guarantee I'm sorry but nobody can say that having too much NFA and firearm specific wording in your Trust is a bad thing. I hope that nobody's Trust, whether it be a Word doc someone downloaded, a Quicken Trust, or a custom Trust drawn up by a lawyer, will be an issue in the future. This shouldn't even be an issue but this is the time we live in and the BATFE does what it wants. The article I posted shows that. |
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If you can't figure that stuff out on your own, you do need a lawyer. Law is only as complicated as you want to make it. That said, mine can be amended at any time using the process withing the Trust itself. People are making much ado about nothing. Amending your Trust does nothing to the copy the BATFE has on file which is what counts. Again, does it matter? Hopefully not Do I want the best chance that I won't have to pay another stamp or hold an illegal NFA item if my Trust is somehow invalidated? Hell Yes but nothing is a guarantee I'm sorry but nobody can say that having too much NFA and firearm specific wording in your Trust is a bad thing. I hope that nobody's Trust, whether it be a Word doc someone downloaded, a Quicken Trust, or a custom Trust drawn up by a lawyer, will be an issue in the future. This shouldn't even be an issue but this is the time we live in and the BATFE does what it wants. The article I posted shows that. Not picking any sides here, but you can mail any and/or all certified(notorized) amendments to ATF like any other form(think 5320.20 etc.) they will stamp it mail you back a copy and put a copy in your file. That should CYA for any amendments you make. |
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If you can't figure that stuff out on your own, you do need a lawyer. Law is only as complicated as you want to make it. That said, mine can be amended at any time using the process withing the Trust itself. People are making much ado about nothing. This. But like I said, whatever floats anyones boat is their business. |
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If you can't figure that stuff out on your own, you do need a lawyer. Law is only as complicated as you want to make it. That said, mine can be amended at any time using the process withing the Trust itself. People are making much ado about nothing. This. But like I said, whatever floats anyones boat is their business. |
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If you can't figure that stuff out on your own, you do need a lawyer. Law is only as complicated as you want to make it. That said, mine can be amended at any time using the process withing the Trust itself. People are making much ado about nothing. This. But like I said, whatever floats anyones boat is their business. |
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Do you read much? Or just want to be a dicksmack because I seemed to challenge your statements? There are more than two ways to skin a cat, meaning this- the language can be written two or more different ways and still have the same effect. The effect in question being a LEGAL fucking trust. Just because you *seem* to *think* that the language is different, does not make your superior "NFA Lawyer Trust" any different, better or worse than the Quicken Trust. Your lawyer is ONE lawyer. Quicken is not a simple computer program- it's backed by a *few* more lawyers than your fancy trust. Quoted: Quoted: Total and typical douchebaggery. There's no difference. If he can't say what looks remotely different then he can't give you specifics. At this point, it's a matter of there are more than two ways to skin a cat. If there is no difference and there is more then two ways to skin a cat? Contradicting yourself much? As we all have said there is more then one way to do it. What wrong with using a lawyer to draw up some paperwork? I don't walk around with my trust so to pick the words and sections in the trust off the top of my head would be impossible. I have't even looked at it in the past year. The trust sits in my safe, I really have no interest in reading it over and over, trying to remember it verbatim. At most I take it out to make a copy and send it off with my Form 4 or 1, whatever I am going to be sending off at the time. If anything, I'd bet Messiah's super duper NFA lawyer is probably an old crotchety fucker who doesn't care to keep up on legal jargon and still edits the same old Lotus document that he's been using for 13 years. But, if there is a difference, it's not important. Actually, he is a active member on arfcom. But you are right, he is a old crotchety fucker. Engineers I've found, are the same way. They learn to be "experts" in school and if they don't keep up on new practices, they go out of business very very fast... |
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It is all overkill that there are words like ATF in there. There doesn't need to be any firearms definitions or even explanations for Form5 transfers like another poster stated. That's all it's OWN SEPARATE set of laws and rules that still take precedence even if your trust states anything about them or not. My trust is not invalid because it doesn't describe how a transfer is to occur. What do you do with your fancy trust if the laws on transfers ever change? What about Form numbers or rulings? You're fucked. That's what. Then it becomes a legal battle over which to follow. This is what happens when a trust states more than it should. Quoted: There is a difference. If you guys want to go the least expensive route then do it but personally I didn't mind spending some money to have a lawyer do it. I do think that Gun Trust Lawyer charges too much though. I think a reasonable fee is $200-400. I'll give you specific examples: Does your trust list firearms specifically in your Exhibit A section? List definitions of firearm specific terms used? List specifics of ownership, transfers, and prohibited transfers? Does it say NFA or BATFE anywhere? |
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Do you read much? Or just want to be a dicksmack because I seemed to challenge your statements? There are more than two ways to skin a cat, meaning this- the language can be written two or more different ways and still have the same effect. The effect in question being a LEGAL fucking trust. Just because you *seem* to *think* that the language is different, does not make your superior "NFA Lawyer Trust" any different, better or worse than the Quicken Trust. Your lawyer is ONE lawyer. Quicken is not a simple computer program- it's backed by a *few* more lawyers than your fancy trust. Quoted:
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Total and typical douchebaggery. There's no difference. If he can't say what looks remotely different then he can't give you specifics. At this point, it's a matter of there are more than two ways to skin a cat. If there is no difference and there is more then two ways to skin a cat? Contradicting yourself much? As we all have said there is more then one way to do it. What wrong with using a lawyer to draw up some paperwork? I don't walk around with my trust so to pick the words and sections in the trust off the top of my head would be impossible. I have't even looked at it in the past year. The trust sits in my safe, I really have no interest in reading it over and over, trying to remember it verbatim. At most I take it out to make a copy and send it off with my Form 4 or 1, whatever I am going to be sending off at the time. If anything, I'd bet Messiah's super duper NFA lawyer is probably an old crotchety fucker who doesn't care to keep up on legal jargon and still edits the same old Lotus document that he's been using for 13 years. But, if there is a difference, it's not important. Actually, he is a active member on arfcom. But you are right, he is a old crotchety fucker.
Engineers I've found, are the same way. They learn to be "experts" in school and if they don't keep up on new practices, they go out of business very very fast... 
Are you arguing just to argue? We all are saying the same thing. Where in any of my post did I say that other ways don't work? They are different, yes, but they all the work the same way. |
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It is all overkill that there are words like ATF in there. There doesn't need to be any firearms definitions or even explanations for Form5 transfers like another poster stated. That's all it's OWN SEPARATE set of laws and rules that still take precedence even if your trust states anything about them or not. My trust is not invalid because it doesn't describe how a transfer is to occur. What do you do with your fancy trust if the laws on transfers ever change? What about Form numbers or rulings? You're fucked. That's what. Then it becomes a legal battle over which to follow. This is what happens when a trust states more than it should. Quoted:
There is a difference. If you guys want to go the least expensive route then do it but personally I didn't mind spending some money to have a lawyer do it. I do think that Gun Trust Lawyer charges too much though. I think a reasonable fee is $200-400. I'll give you specific examples: Does your trust list firearms specifically in your Exhibit A section? List definitions of firearm specific terms used? List specifics of ownership, transfers, and prohibited transfers? Does it say NFA or BATFE anywhere? This is precisely what I was attempting to say as well in my blue replies. Thanks for doing it better than I.....thou speakest the truth. |
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It is all overkill that there are words like ATF in there. There doesn't need to be any firearms definitions or even explanations for Form5 transfers like another poster stated. That's all it's OWN SEPARATE set of laws and rules that still take precedence even if your trust states anything about them or not. My trust is not invalid because it doesn't describe how a transfer is to occur. What do you do with your fancy trust if the laws on transfers ever change? What about Form numbers or rulings? You're fucked. That's what. Then it becomes a legal battle over which to follow. This is what happens when a trust states more than it should. Actually mine also address laws changing as well. |
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It is all overkill that there are words like ATF in there. There doesn't need to be any firearms definitions or even explanations for Form5 transfers like another poster stated. That's all it's OWN SEPARATE set of laws and rules that still take precedence even if your trust states anything about them or not. My trust is not invalid because it doesn't describe how a transfer is to occur. What do you do with your fancy trust if the laws on transfers ever change? What about Form numbers or rulings? You're fucked. That's what. Then it becomes a legal battle over which to follow. This is what happens when a trust states more than it should. Actually mine also address laws changing as well. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want it to say.....myself, I prefer to spend less money to complete the same task. |
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Exactly. It SHOULDN'T address laws changing. No need for it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is all overkill that there are words like ATF in there. There doesn't need to be any firearms definitions or even explanations for Form5 transfers like another poster stated. That's all it's OWN SEPARATE set of laws and rules that still take precedence even if your trust states anything about them or not. My trust is not invalid because it doesn't describe how a transfer is to occur. What do you do with your fancy trust if the laws on transfers ever change? What about Form numbers or rulings? You're fucked. That's what. Then it becomes a legal battle over which to follow. This is what happens when a trust states more than it should. Actually mine also address laws changing as well. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want it to say.....myself, I prefer to spend less money to complete the same task. |
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It is all overkill that there are words like ATF in there. There doesn't need to be any firearms definitions or even explanations for Form5 transfers like another poster stated. That's all it's OWN SEPARATE set of laws and rules that still take precedence even if your trust states anything about them or not. My trust is not invalid because it doesn't describe how a transfer is to occur. What do you do with your fancy trust if the laws on transfers ever change? What about Form numbers or rulings? You're fucked. That's what. Then it becomes a legal battle over which to follow. This is what happens when a trust states more than it should. Actually mine also address laws changing as well. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want it to say.....myself, I prefer to spend less money to complete the same task. Your right there is nothing wrong with either way. Both will get the job done, I just wanted more than quicken would do for me. My whole point was that its not the same trust period, it does not make one superior to the other just that you cant say they are the same and no different like certain people in this thread one to make you believe. |
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