User Panel
Posted: 5/12/2024 11:12:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: _DR]
Talking full size, old school IMI Uzi. There isn't a huge difference between the two, but which is actually better?
|
|
|
The difference is trivial.
SBR or F/A...- |
|
|
Only thing I can offer is in the late 80s I had an UZI Model B. It was one of the worst jammamatics I ever owned.
|
|
|
I had that lust . I filled that lust.
It was very lackluster. I sold it off |
|
I'm on break.
|
The "B" has better sights (rear adjustable for windage), and a safety that prevents OOB fire.
The "A" has sights like the original SMG, and always seems to bring more $$ |
|
|
Originally Posted By armoredman: Only thing I can offer is in the late 80s I had an UZI Model B. It was one of the worst jammamatics I ever owned. View Quote Oh really? I keep looking at those UZIs when they come up for sale… Dad was issued one for a short period of time and I’d like to collect “his” guns |
|
|
Originally Posted By armoredman: Only thing I can offer is in the late 80s I had an UZI Model B. It was one of the worst jammamatics I ever owned. View Quote I've had a (Model A based) Vector full auto, full size Uzi since mid-2006. In 9mm, the gun per se doesn't jam - some magazines cause jams (usually a bent lip that can be straightened). I haven't had any jamming in .45 ACP, but I've only shot a couple hundred or so rounds using IMI mags, though I do have some .45 ACP ProMag mags. In .22LR, once the bolt is properly shimmed and the extractor beveled, most mags work okay. I also have a Model A based, 9mm, semi-auto Vector Mini Uzi, and that, too, works well so long as the mags are good. In any case, OP, best of luck. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
|
|
Why? They are heavy, no optics rail and the triggers suck.
|
|
"I miss the days of being able to shoot all commies" G.B.
|
If your plan is to basically sit on it, get the 'A' gun.
|
|
More LIBERTY less Government
|
Link with good info on the differences between the models, along with pics of the differences:
https://www.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/ABdiff.htm I have an Action Arms IMI model "B" that I SBR'ed. No regrets. Action Arms Semiauto Uzi Carbines (Model A and Model B) |
|
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his Gods." |
Originally Posted By Frens: Oh really? I keep looking at those UZIs when they come up for sale… Dad was issued one for a short period of time and I’d like to collect “his” guns View Quote Don't get me wrong, when it worked, it was fun...but that was rare. |
|
|
I have a Model B. Lots of fun, zero issues.
Ergonomics aren’t great but it’s accurate and mags are cheap. If I had a line on a good 10” barrel, I’d likely SBR it, but my motivation for more NFA is low at the moment. |
|
|
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his Gods." |
Mine's a model B, in 9mm and 45aarp. I don't have any issues with it.
On paper, the firing pin safety is more complexity and more parts to wear out. In practice, mine hasn't broken or malfunctioned yet. |
|
|
|
Originally Posted By SecondAmend: I've had a (Model A based) Vector full auto, full size Uzi since mid-2006. In 9mm, the gun per se doesn't jam - some magazines cause jams (usually a bent lip that can be straightened). I haven't had any jamming in .45 ACP, but I've only shot a couple hundred or so rounds using IMI mags, though I do have some .45 ACP ProMag mags. In .22LR, once the bolt is properly shimmed and the extractor beveled, most mags work okay. I also have a Model A based, 9mm, semi-auto Vector Mini Uzi, and that, too, works well so long as the mags are good. In any case, OP, best of luck. MHO, YMMV, etc. View Quote Looking at several model As and Bs, as well as a Vector semi-auto build, and some McKay receiver builds, and even some Norinco 320s. All in the $1400-2200 range. If you were buying only one, which would you get. Ultimately it will be SBR'd, and will be shooter like all my guns |
|
|
|
|
Originally Posted By _DR: I have few smg-based semi-auto SBRs...MP5s, Scorpions...Colt pattern 9mm, I want an Uzi to fill that Uzi niche. View Quote And adding an optic is trivial. The top cover pops right off and you can pop on another top cover with a rail attached to it. Spare top covers were like $10 not too long ago. |
|
|
Originally Posted By jtb33: I have a Green Mountain tri-lug barrel in my IMI AA UZI Model B SBR. Zero issues with it. It's a surprisingly heavy gun and ergonomics are lacking, but it's fun to shoot and has very little recoil because of the weight. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52280153532_3f12490066_k.jpg View Quote Did you have to get the barrel nut relieved for the 3 lug barrel? How quiet is it with subsonic ammo? |
|
|
Originally Posted By armoredman: Really. It was terrible. I bought it in CA right before the Roberti Roos went into effect, and took it to Arizona when I left the military. I hung on to it way too long, but traded it for a few firearms and a whole bunch of ammo to a guy who loved UZIs and HAD to have that serial number - it was almost all 7s. I was told the 3 piece bolt made it less reliable. Not knowing that much about UZIs then or now, I cannot say. The kitchen table dealer I bought it from in Vallejo was a HUGE UZI nut, and was very proud of his select fire UZI. Don't get me wrong, when it worked, it was fun...but that was rare. View Quote Were you using IMI military mags or aftermarket mags, if you can remember? |
|
|
Originally Posted By _DR: Did you have to get the barrel nut relieved for the 3 lug barrel? How quiet is it with subsonic ammo? View Quote As far as how quiet it is - depends on the suppressor I'm using, though I have no instruments to measure sound. I have an AAC Evolution 9 (pretty old suppressor now), and a Griffin Armament Optimus v2. |
|
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his Gods." |
Originally Posted By _DR: Did you have to get the barrel nut relieved for the 3 lug barrel? How quiet is it with subsonic ammo? View Quote I have a threaded barrel on mine with a 3lug installed. I bought an extra barrel nut that I installed on the barrel before I torqued down the 3lug. When I swap barrels, that nut comes off and stays captive on that barrel. |
|
|
"I miss the days of being able to shoot all commies" G.B.
|
Originally Posted By akethan: Sell that stuff and get a F/A MAC Lage View Quote Actually I did have an RPB 9mm pre 1982 open bolt gun...couldn't hit shit with it as a pistol...got on the wait list for a lage...A year and a half later I gave up waiting and sold it. It was cool open bolt tech...but really hard to hit anything with. |
|
|
Originally Posted By _DR: Actually I did have an RPB 9mm pre 1982 open bolt gun...couldn't hit shit with it as a pistol...got on the wait list for a lage...A year and a half later I gave up waiting and sold it. It was cool open bolt tech...but really hard to hit anything with. View Quote It wasn't an MG. |
|
"I miss the days of being able to shoot all commies" G.B.
|
@JDoggyHoplite
|
|
Death to quislings.
|
Originally Posted By _DR: Looking at several model As and Bs, as well as a Vector semi-auto build, and some McKay receiver builds, and even some Norinco 320s. All in the $1400-2200 range. If you were buying only one, which would you get. Ultimately it will be SBR'd, and will be shooter like all my guns View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By SecondAmend: I've had a (Model A based) Vector full auto, full size Uzi since mid-2006. In 9mm, the gun per se doesn't jam - some magazines cause jams (usually a bent lip that can be straightened). I haven't had any jamming in .45 ACP, but I've only shot a couple hundred or so rounds using IMI mags, though I do have some .45 ACP ProMag mags. In .22LR, once the bolt is properly shimmed and the extractor beveled, most mags work okay. I also have a Model A based, 9mm, semi-auto Vector Mini Uzi, and that, too, works well so long as the mags are good. In any case, OP, best of luck. MHO, YMMV, etc. Looking at several model As and Bs, as well as a Vector semi-auto build, and some McKay receiver builds, and even some Norinco 320s. All in the $1400-2200 range. If you were buying only one, which would you get. Ultimately it will be SBR'd, and will be shooter like all my guns I don't know anything about the McKay, Norinco, or Century and the like firearms. What you may want to do is go to the Uzitalk.com website that is pretty much the go to site on the internet for all things Uzi and MAC related, with each pattern of firearm having its dedicated forum. Best of luck with whatever you decide to pursue. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
|
|
Originally Posted By akethan: Originally Posted By _DR: Actually I did have an RPB 9mm pre 1982 open bolt gun...couldn't hit shit with it as a pistol...got on the wait list for a lage...A year and a half later I gave up waiting and sold it. It was cool open bolt tech...but really hard to hit anything with. It wasn't an MG. No, it was a grandfathered pre-1982 semi auto. It was pretty cool. Wish I could have gotten a lage upper on it. |
|
|
Originally Posted By SecondAmend: I don't know anything about the McKay, Norinco, or Century and the like firearms. What you may want to do is go to the Uzitalk.com website that is pretty much the go to site on the internet for all things Uzi and MAC related, with each pattern of firearm having its dedicated forum. Best of luck with whatever you decide to pursue. MHO, YMMV, etc. View Quote Well after reading a lot on Uzitalk, watching a bunch of BWE videos, and reviews, and agonizing over model A vs B I ended up buying a mint looking Model B. The extra money for an A didn't seem to be worth it in my view, would have depleted my cash reserves. Still need a tax stamp then a 10" barrel. I am already cringing at the thought of having it engraved for NFA. |
|
|
Form a trust "Uzi, Israel Trust".
|
|
Death to quislings.
|
|
One of my favorite SBRs. Never had an issue with it and it's a joy to shoot. Attached File
|
|
|
It's a fun SMG that is instantly recognizable, has military provenance, is very reliable and built tough, has lots of inexpensive accessories, magazines, and spare parts available, and hold their value very well.
My transferable Model A IMI is lightly modded for limited class subgun matches. Attached File |
|
"So remind me again why you're not competing at Cola Warrior?"
|
I never really liked my full size Uzi for shooting or handling, but it was cool to look at - same as a Thompson.
I traded mine and some bucks for a Mini Uzi, which is the Uzi the Uzi should have been. Much lighter and handier than the full size. With a SBR form, it's a great shooter. |
|
|
An IMI model A is the most authentic semi-auto UZI you can find. I own an A and a B. The OOB safety feature on the B is unnecessary and doesn’t add anything to reliability (just another part to break).
I SBR’d the A and I really enjoy shooting it. I wrap my trigger finger around the trigger at the second joint for easy double taps. I also own a full-auto Group/Vector UZI SMG. I own 10 other registered MGs and my MP5 and UZI rank #1 and #2 in fun to shoot. I never could get the .22LR conversion to run right in mine. |
|
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy Glock and thy AR15, they comfort me.
|
Originally Posted By Makarov: ... I also own a full-auto Group/Vector UZI SMG. ... I never could get the .22LR conversion to run right in mine. View Quote Getting a full size, full auto Uzi to function with a .22 conversion can be summarized into three steps. Shim the extractor/firing pin block assembly for proper vertical clearance between the mag lips and barrel stub; bevel the top edge of the front of the extractor for clearance into the barrel stub; and make sure the magazine is loaded so as to avoid rim lock. MHO, YMMV, etc. Best of luck. |
|
|
Originally Posted By SecondAmend: Getting a full size, full auto Uzi to function with a .22 conversion can be summarized into three steps. Shim the extractor/firing pin block assembly for proper vertical clearance between the mag lips and barrel stub; bevel the top edge of the front of the extractor for clearance into the barrel stub; and make sure the magazine is loaded so as to avoid rim lock. MHO, YMMV, etc. Best of luck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecondAmend: Originally Posted By Makarov: ... I also own a full-auto Group/Vector UZI SMG. ... I never could get the .22LR conversion to run right in mine. Getting a full size, full auto Uzi to function with a .22 conversion can be summarized into three steps. Shim the extractor/firing pin block assembly for proper vertical clearance between the mag lips and barrel stub; bevel the top edge of the front of the extractor for clearance into the barrel stub; and make sure the magazine is loaded so as to avoid rim lock. MHO, YMMV, etc. Best of luck. Thanks. When I have time, I want to dig out the kit and mess with it again. I screen captured your summary to give me a place to start. |
|
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy Glock and thy AR15, they comfort me.
|
Originally Posted By Makarov: Thanks. When I have time, I want to dig out the kit and mess with it again. I screen captured your summary to give me a place to start. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Makarov: Originally Posted By SecondAmend: Originally Posted By Makarov: ... I also own a full-auto Group/Vector UZI SMG. ... I never could get the .22LR conversion to run right in mine. Getting a full size, full auto Uzi to function with a .22 conversion can be summarized into three steps. Shim the extractor/firing pin block assembly for proper vertical clearance between the mag lips and barrel stub; bevel the top edge of the front of the extractor for clearance into the barrel stub; and make sure the magazine is loaded so as to avoid rim lock. MHO, YMMV, etc. Best of luck. Thanks. When I have time, I want to dig out the kit and mess with it again. I screen captured your summary to give me a place to start. You're welcome. The late Richard Hoffman (BWE) video and the posts on Uzitalk about "Tuning an Uzi .22" go into more details. I should have also noted, that when I bought my Vector .22 conversion in 2007, which was right before they discontinued selling them, the chamber was undersized and feeding was an issue. I had a .22LR finish reamer from another task, and used that to get the Uzi conversion up to size. I've always assumed that the chamber was undersized due to worn out tooling. Best of luck. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
|
|
Originally Posted By jtb33: I have a Green Mountain tri-lug barrel in my IMI AA UZI Model B SBR. Zero issues with it. It's a surprisingly heavy gun and ergonomics are lacking, but it's fun to shoot and has very little recoil because of the weight. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52280153532_3f12490066_k.jpg View Quote There’s a whole lot of WTF and oh hell yeah in one photo. My experience is aim to CavVets. Lust. Bought. Now I’m debating on the next step. Don’t really want at this point. Only keeping for investment reason. |
|
Esstac’s Retarded Social Media Influencer
|
Originally Posted By Makarov: An IMI model A is the most authentic semi-auto UZI you can find. I own an A and a B. The OOB safety feature on the B is unnecessary and doesn’t add anything to reliability (just another part to break). View Quote So, a question. Can I swap in a Model A bolt into my model B if I want to, will it work? |
|
"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
|
It finally came in to my ffl.
Appears to be in mint condition. I think I was born to own this simple marvel. Starting the SBR process tonight. |
|
"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
|
Originally Posted By _DR: It finally came in to my ffl. Appears to be in mint condition. I think I was born to own this simple marvel. Starting the SBR process tonight. View Quote |
|
|
Trivial difference. Best bet is to do a kit build. Only way I'd get another factory gun is getting another RR Uzi. My Vektor import is tits.
Wait you already got it. Hell yeah brother. |
|
|
Originally Posted By Andrewsky: Great, just make sure you keep up with the maintenance interval. Every 100k rounds you'll need to inspect it your new tank. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Andrewsky: Originally Posted By _DR: It finally came in to my ffl. Appears to be in mint condition. I think I was born to own this simple marvel. Starting the SBR process tonight. Hehe you aren't kidding. It really is built like a tank. The simplicity and speed with which the barrel can be removed and replaced is astounding. Literally 5 seconds. And field strip the whole thing in 10. |
|
"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
|
Originally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: Trivial difference. Best bet is to do a kit build. Only way I'd get another factory gun is getting another RR Uzi. My Vektor import is tits. Wait you already got it. Hell yeah brother. View Quote I may do a kit yet. Saw some nice Vektors, but the price wasn't better than the IMI on GB, so figured I'd get an Israeli (makes a nice companion carbine for my IMI Jericho). Prices are only going to go upwards since there doesn't seem to be any more made by anybody in the offing for the future. |
|
"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
|
Some advice for you. When you disassemble the gun, start by dry firing it. You can usually push down on the top cover while dry firing to slow down the striker. This will keep it from flying forward under disassembly and peening the face of the barrel.
|
|
|
Originally Posted By Andrewsky: Some advice for you. When you disassemble the gun, start by dry firing it. You can usually push down on the top cover while dry firing to slow down the striker. This will keep it from flying forward under disassembly and peening the face of the barrel. View Quote Ok. Makes sense. The first time I disassembled it, the striker was not cocked, so wasn't an issue, but I will follow that procedure after checking the chamber. I assume that means there is no harm in dry firing? Also, is there anything preventing me from running the smg racheting top cover with my Model B? I dislike the ominous Ruger-esque warning stamped into the semiauto top cover. |
|
"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
|
Originally Posted By _DR: Ok. Makes sense. The first time I disassembled it, the striker was not cocked, so wasn't an issue, but I will follow that procedure after checking the chamber. I assume that means there is no harm in dry firing? Also, is there anything preventing me from running the smg racheting top cover with my Model B? I dislike the ominous Ruger-esque warning stamped into the semiauto top cover. View Quote You don't want to change the top cover. That part is fitted to your gun. If you get a new one it probably won't even fit. The procedure to make it fit is to start hitting it with a hammer to bend it to shape. Then it'll probably never fit that great. |
|
|
Originally Posted By _DR: So, a question. Can I swap in a Model A bolt into my model B if I want to, will it work? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Makarov: An IMI model A is the most authentic semi-auto UZI you can find. I own an A and a B. The OOB safety feature on the B is unnecessary and doesn’t add anything to reliability (just another part to break). So, a question. Can I swap in a Model A bolt into my model B if I want to, will it work? I believe so but I haven’t tried it myself. The only difference in the B bolt (as far as I can tell) is the addition of a little leg that prevents the firing pin from moving forward until the bolt is fully closed. This feature was added over a concern for OOB detonation. However, given the original UZI design, I believe this concern is WAAAAY over estimated. The original full-auto UZI operates with advance primer ignition without issue. I suppose the lawyers with Action Arms were afraid of a AD/NG upon charging the closed bolt semi-auto design. Honestly, I wouldn’t really worry about it too much, either way. If you find a deal in a model A or B, I would get either. You can easily disable the OOB safety feature on the model B if desired. Other than that, the only real difference is the sights. B sights are more AR style, finer and easier to adjust but the A sights are the original UZI design. |
|
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy Glock and thy AR15, they comfort me.
|
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.