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Posted: 4/11/2012 3:16:14 AM EDT
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I'm thinking of upping my firearm related purchases. I've recently added a small amount of money - roughly $75-100/month - to my budget. I've been thinking a lot about how to use it, and the way I see it firearms and the things related to them always seem to go up in price never down. So, like I said, I'm thinking of making some more buys, the question now is what to buy from an investment stand point. I can think of several options, all of which seem to have pros and cons. I'd like to you know what you'd do and why...
Lower receiver(s) Pros: Relatively cheap right now - Potential ban could make these very desirable/valuable - Could set aside for kids Cons: BRD could easily set in ($$$) Complete firearms (of all types) Pros: Potential ban could make certain firearms very desirable/valuable - No additional purchases/assembly required Cons: Higher upfront cost Magazines Pros: Relatively cheap right now - Potential ban could make these very desirable/valuable - Could set aside for kids Cons: Useless without ammunition Ammunition Pros: Seems like a great way to beat inflation Cons: Costs more than reloading my own Reloading components Pros: Cheaper than manufacturer's ammo - Can create specific loads Cons: Requires a lot of time (currently use a single stage press) I'm sure there are a number of pros and cons I'm missing for each category, so feel free to mention your own thoughts. Full disclosure, part of this is fueled by the upcoming election. Blame me/flame me/say what you want, but I don't want to get caught with my pants down if there's another AWB put in place. I want to make sure I (or my children) never have to "do without." I'm looking at this from two perspectives. I could keep whatever I buy, and eventually sell it (hopefully for a profit). But at the same time I could keep whatever I buy and avoid paying out the nose in the future. Either way I seem to come out ahead. So, if you were me, what would you buy (or what combination would you buy) and why? Please explain your reasoning to help give me a little more direction. |
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This is better suited in the business and financial section. They will set you straight.
Also remember all the people who got hosed last election panic buying crap. I personally think banking on another AWB is silly and there are many other more profitable places to put your money. If you want some more firearms cool... But don't use them as investments. |
| Don't kid yourselves about another AWB. If there is one it will be so Draconian that we won't have to worry about of 2A rights, because the Constitution will be dead and eroded. The a**licks will have learned from the 94 ban what to do this time around and we won't be worrying about bayo lugs, 30 rd mags, or collapsible stocks––we will be concerned with proving we turned in out outlawed weapons, dangerous mags, and verboten ammo. The whole buy and sit on is fine if you have the disposable income, but just to do it seems like a waste of time since your money can have better returns in other places. Don't get me wrong, I believe in being prepared but I just don't see a ban that people are hoping for––-yes, there are those in our shooting communities that are hoping for it so they can make some quick bucks. |
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Could this fall under the law of it being illegal to purchase firearms with the intent of selling them without a license? Obviously no one could prove you bought them with the intention of selling, but Im just bringing it up. No Unless the gov't wants to make a case out of it and in their "research" they come across this and use it. The gov't will do what they need to prove a point and can. |
| I'd buy a few lowers and a few mags if you were really interested in doing so. Otherwise you're going to feed into the hype and keep demand up and supply dry. Not necessarily a bad thing for the firearms industry but I don't see you really turning a large profit off of a ban if it were to happen. There's a lot of ifs and buts before anything happens. They wanted to do a high cap magazine ban here in CT last year around this time. I still have a $255 HK91 drum magazine sitting in the basement. Kind of stupid in retrospect. Anyhow, just get what you personally would want or need and then get a few lowers or extra mags. I wouldn't read too deep or go too deep into this. |
| IMO, I would purchase mags, ammo, and build a couple rifles. You can build PSA rifles for around $700 give or take and they are top quality parts. Mags are a great investment in my opinion, I've got over 60 and always pick up one or two when I stop by the gun shop. My local shop sells black PMags for $12 each so it's about the same as ordering them and I can just buy a couple at a time. And ammo is always going up, so the term buy it cheap, which you can't really do anymore, and stack it deep applies here. |
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I would guess that if you're thinking in investment terms, ammo would be of value for resale and factory ammo will likely be easier to sell than your reloads.
If some new gun ban is implemented there's no guarantee that anything will be grandfathered if it's the result of legislation; but I just don't see that happening. If it does it may be WWWest. |
| One thing to consider that most people don't realize is that an unfinished lower bought before a ban but assembled after the ban is a post ban firearm and subject to the restrictions of the ban. Basically, don't fool yourself into believing that a stripped lower is preban if a new ban passes and it sits in your closet for years. It is post ban unless it was a complete, assembled weapon prior to the ban. The burden of proof is on the government but it's not worth potentially getting charged with a crime. |
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Quoted: get ammoLower receiver(s) most have stocked since 08 and are not that valuable to the guy who wants a complete rifle, also less profit than complete rifle Complete firearms (of all types) most have stocked since 08 and its hard to know what a collector will be in the future Magazines meh most learned there lesson and there are tons out there potential for profit but many others are already hoarding Ammunition always in demand, gets used up, nato supplies are less, hell all world supplies are less available, commodities always go up Reloading components same as ammo |
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Could this fall under the law of it being illegal to purchase firearms with the intent of selling them without a license? Obviously no one could prove you bought them with the intention of selling, but Im just bringing it up. It could. OP is clearly stating that he intends to purchase firearms to sell for a profit. Even if he holds them for years before reselling, it could still come back to bite him. The law doesn't care about how long you own a gun, only your intentions in buying/selling them. OP, if you want guns and accessories to shoot, buy them. Don't buy them as an investment. It's risky and the return is unpredictable. One swipe of a pen could make them all worthless and non-transferable, or nothing could happen and they never appreciate in value. There are much better places to put your money that actually has a good chance of earning a predictable return. |
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You're not investing. You're speculating. You think there might be a ban coming down the road. You think it will look like the last one.
There is no serious talk of a future AWB. If there was there is no guarantee will be the same as the last one; in fact I can all but guarantee a new one will be much more draconian. They learned the last time about loop holes, they won't make that mistake again. You're trying to make money in a speculative bubble. If the republicans win the presidency or take the senate, your investment just went up in smoke. |
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You are talking speculation not investment. The only investment firearms I buy are pre ban imports. I've done well with them and I know there is a limited supply. I would not personally recommend buying new firearms for "investment". I helped my friend in his gunshop during the last panic. ARs, AKs and ammo were the big sellers. I built and sold about a dozen ARs myself. The shop sold alot more but didnt really make more because the distributors jacked up prices on ARs so badly.. After things subsided and people realized there was not going to be a ban, you couldnt give ARs away... The same distributors that were ripping off dealers and customers were calling litterly every day begging us to buy ARs...sometimes at prices approaching 1/2 what the wholesale was during the panic. Right now the biggest shortages and buying runs appear to be ammo and handguns.
I would buy what you personally need and want to stockpile. Ammo, weapons etc. Ammo especially...not that it will be banned but the panic run this year will put manufacturers way behind and we might see another permanent jacking up of prices.. |
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