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Posted: 12/30/2015 3:34:46 PM EDT
| Is the Saker MAAD concept dead? Why have we heard no chatter about saker compatibility with dead air, rugged, or sig? |
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Is the Saker MAAD concept dead? Why have we heard no chatter about saker compatibility with dead air, rugged, or sig? I like the MAAD mount, but it seems odd that silencerco is releasing the newer models (Omega) with the ASR mount type. It seems like they plan to keep the maad mounts on the saker cans only and they aren't the newest kids on the block anymore. I was kind of hoping that silencerco was planning on a uniform mount for the future but that doesn't seem to have proved true. -Mike |
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Is the Saker MAAD concept dead? Why have we heard no chatter about saker compatibility with dead air, rugged, or sig? My guess is there's way way too small of a market (aka people w/ DAA, Rugged, and Sig muzzle devices) to warrant new manufacturing lines for 3 new SKU's. 51T and YHM mounts had a long time to develop significant market penetration by the time the MAAD mount came along. My guess is a SureFire MAAD would make the most sense as the next adapter. |
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Based on my experience I have come to the conclusion that the MAAD mount sucks. There is some type of flaw in its design.
The mount has become locked onto the brake for the third time. The last two times this has happened I fired less then 20 rounds and it was locked on. I did not over torque it on either of these occasions. Each time I have had to soak the brake and mount. The last time this happened the soaking did not work, so I figured I would try to heat up the can by firing some rounds, well after the third round the can was launched down range into the woods. It took twenty minutes to find the can. I am pretty sure I am done with the MAAD mount. |
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Based on my experience I have come to the conclusion that the MAAD mount sucks. There is some type of flaw in its design. The mount has become locked onto the brake for the third time. The last two times this has happened I fired less then 20 rounds and it was locked on. I did not over torque it on either of these occasions. Each time I have had to soak the brake and mount. The last time this happened the soaking did not work, so I figured I would try to heat up the can by firing some rounds, well after the third round the can was launched down range into the woods. It took twenty minutes to find the can. I am pretty sure I am done with the MAAD mount. What was SilencerCo's response to all of this? |
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My guess is there's way way too small of a market (aka people w/ DAA, Rugged, and Sig muzzle devices) to warrant new manufacturing lines for 3 new SKU's. 51T and YHM mounts had a long time to develop significant market penetration by the time the MAAD mount came along. My guess is a SureFire MAAD would make the most sense as the next adapter. Quoted:
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Is the Saker MAAD concept dead? Why have we heard no chatter about saker compatibility with dead air, rugged, or sig? My guess is there's way way too small of a market (aka people w/ DAA, Rugged, and Sig muzzle devices) to warrant new manufacturing lines for 3 new SKU's. 51T and YHM mounts had a long time to develop significant market penetration by the time the MAAD mount came along. My guess is a SureFire MAAD would make the most sense as the next adapter. Good call but I just don't see SF stealing business from SiCO where I own two SiCO cans and instead of buying a SiCO .30 cal, I bought a Sandman-S. Quoted:
Based on my experience I have come to the conclusion that the MAAD mount sucks. There is some type of flaw in its design. The mount has become locked onto the brake for the third time. The last two times this has happened I fired less then 20 rounds and it was locked on. I did not over torque it on either of these occasions. Each time I have had to soak the brake and mount. The last time this happened the soaking did not work, so I figured I would try to heat up the can by firing some rounds, well after the third round the can was launched down range into the woods. It took twenty minutes to find the can. I am pretty sure I am done with the MAAD mount. Yikes; I'd also like to hear SiCO's response. |
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No one can be happy with any mount IMO. You hear complaints about the ASR, the 51T, the Surefire and the MAAD. I'm happy with the MAAD. I figured it out but some seem to not be able to. I've got two MAAD mounts one on a Saker and one on a Omega. Yeah some times it gets stuck but a hard blow on the mount and it comes off every time. I doubt you will see the MAAD incorporated into any other line but the Saker for a while.
They've tweaked the ASR mount a few times but never the MAAD. Thats made me believe there really isn't anything wrong with it other than some break in time. Edit: I hope they don't move away from it as I'm heavily invested and like the mount. Just wish it was lighter. |
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Quoted: Based on my experience I have come to the conclusion that the MAAD mount sucks. There is some type of flaw in its design. The mount has become locked onto the brake for the third time. The last two times this has happened I fired less then 20 rounds and it was locked on. I did not over torque it on either of these occasions. Each time I have had to soak the brake and mount. The last time this happened the soaking did not work, so I figured I would try to heat up the can by firing some rounds, well after the third round the can was launched down range into the woods. It took twenty minutes to find the can. I am pretty sure I am done with the MAAD mount. |
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I used some LOK-CEASE over a year ago after having it get stuck. Haven't had it stick once after that. It's been a great mounting system for me. Quoted:
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Based on my experience I have come to the conclusion that the MAAD mount sucks. There is some type of flaw in its design. The mount has become locked onto the brake for the third time. The last two times this has happened I fired less then 20 rounds and it was locked on. I did not over torque it on either of these occasions. Each time I have had to soak the brake and mount. The last time this happened the soaking did not work, so I figured I would try to heat up the can by firing some rounds, well after the third round the can was launched down range into the woods. It took twenty minutes to find the can. m pretty sure I am done with the MAAD mount. I have a saker 556 & 762, ive never had an issue with the mount. Never lubed or did anything to the 556. I rubbed a little lithium soap based grease in the 762. I love the Trifecta/MAAD system. It's super fast on/off, locks up tight & consistent, one hand on/off, and no latch/lock that protrudes outside the O.D. of the silencer. A pretty kick ass set of characteristics in my experience! |
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I love the Trifecta/MAAD system. It's super fast on/off, locks up tight & consistent, one hand on/off, and no latch/lock that protrudes outside the O.D. of the silencer. A pretty kick ass set of characteristics in my experience! Exactly. I've become very spoiled with the one hand on and off. Hard to go to a locking ring style can after the MAAD. That's why I'm looking hard at the SandmanS. |
| When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. |
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Quoted: When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. |
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Quoted: When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. |
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When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. Don't mean to pile on the A2 thing but there are so many no-name & out of spec A2 flash hiders out there it's probably not worth it to make an adapter and back it up with their customary warranty and service. |
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My guess is there's way way too small of a market (aka people w/ DAA, Rugged, and Sig muzzle devices) to warrant new manufacturing lines for 3 new SKU's. 51T and YHM mounts had a long time to develop significant market penetration by the time the MAAD mount came along. My guess is a SureFire MAAD would make the most sense as the next adapter. Quoted:
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Is the Saker MAAD concept dead? Why have we heard no chatter about saker compatibility with dead air, rugged, or sig? My guess is there's way way too small of a market (aka people w/ DAA, Rugged, and Sig muzzle devices) to warrant new manufacturing lines for 3 new SKU's. 51T and YHM mounts had a long time to develop significant market penetration by the time the MAAD mount came along. My guess is a SureFire MAAD would make the most sense as the next adapter. I would agree with that. Their original mount was premised on the concept that existing customers may have bled over from the AAC camp after owning 10 AAC muzzle devices bought during the years prior to Silencer Co releasing rifle suppressors. These other companies came onto the scene after them, so if a customer wanted silencer co cans and bought rugged mounts for example, that would represent an extreme minority purchasing error at that point. In other words if that customer exists, he is probably in a very small group of customers. |
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What was SilencerCo's response to all of this? Quoted:
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Based on my experience I have come to the conclusion that the MAAD mount sucks. There is some type of flaw in its design. The mount has become locked onto the brake for the third time. The last two times this has happened I fired less then 20 rounds and it was locked on. I did not over torque it on either of these occasions. Each time I have had to soak the brake and mount. The last time this happened the soaking did not work, so I figured I would try to heat up the can by firing some rounds, well after the third round the can was launched down range into the woods. It took twenty minutes to find the can. I am pretty sure I am done with the MAAD mount. What was SilencerCo's response to all of this? My SOT wants to deal with it directly with SiCo. |
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No one can be happy with any mount IMO. You hear complaints about the ASR, the 51T, the Surefire and the MAAD. I'm happy with the MAAD. I figured it out but some seem to not be able to. I've got two MAAD mounts one on a Saker and one on a Omega. Yeah some times it gets stuck but a hard blow on the mount and it comes off every time. I doubt you will see the MAAD incorporated into any other line but the Saker for a while. They've tweaked the ASR mount a few times but never the MAAD. Thats made me believe there really isn't anything wrong with it other than some break in time. Edit: I hope they don't move away from it as I'm heavily invested and like the mount. Just wish it was lighter. Should I really have to smack the can with something to get it off, especially after so few rounds, I think not! My Saker was stuck on the mount the very first time I used it and that was before a shot was even fired. I had previously conveyed that a few really smart guys worked to get it off for a long time with no luck. The next day my SOT got it off in under five seconds. The little tit dropped down into a groove and that was the issue. After he explained the in and outs of it I felt positive about going forward. Well you know the rest now and the little tit is not the issue. |
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When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. Quoted:
When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. I asked about that back in June of 2014 before I bought my Griffin M4SDII and this is the response I received.. Thank you for contacting us. At this time we are not making a Saker mount that will work with A2 muzzle devices. There are too many variances between all the different A2 flash hiders on the market for us to be able to make one mount that will work with all of them. I do apologize for any inconvenience, please let me know if there dis anything else we can help you with. I find that odd though since it seems that KAC and Griffin seem to have been able to make theirs work. It doesn't seem that crazy to me to just swap out a $6 A2 mount if it isn't in spec. |
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I asked about that back in June of 2014 before I bought my Griffin M4SDII and this is the response I received.. I find that odd though since it seems that KAC and Griffin seem to have been able to make theirs work. It doesn't seem that crazy to me to just swap out a $6 A2 mount if it isn't in spec. Quoted:
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When SilencerCo released the Omega with the ASR mount instead of the highly-touted MAAD mount, I think everyone thought twice about the future of the MAAD mount. I would expect a Surefire interface before a Dead Air / Rugged interface just because they've been around longer. I'm really surprised they haven't released an A2 mount interface for the Saker, and the fact they haven't yet leads me to believe they aren't planning on it. I asked about that back in June of 2014 before I bought my Griffin M4SDII and this is the response I received.. Thank you for contacting us. At this time we are not making a Saker mount that will work with A2 muzzle devices. There are too many variances between all the different A2 flash hiders on the market for us to be able to make one mount that will work with all of them. I do apologize for any inconvenience, please let me know if there dis anything else we can help you with. I find that odd though since it seems that KAC and Griffin seem to have been able to make theirs work. It doesn't seem that crazy to me to just swap out a $6 A2 mount if it isn't in spec. Exactly. I haven't heard of any complaints with Griffin's A2 mounting system. Like I said before, and several posters seem to have confirmed...if SilencerCo wanted to do it, they would've done it already. MAAD may not be dead, but the buzzards are circling overhead. |
| Maybe not like the GA or KAC, but I bet you could find a way to make one similar to the Gemtech Halo design. 2-piece. The first would attach to the tube and give you the narrower portion that's part of the Halo, and then the 2nd piece to lock it on. Just have to find the guinea pig willing to use their Saker as the test host. |
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I find that odd though since it seems that KAC and Griffin seem to have been able to make theirs work. It doesn't seem that crazy to me to just swap out a $6 A2 mount if it isn't in spec. Quoted:
I find that odd though since it seems that KAC and Griffin seem to have been able to make theirs work. It doesn't seem that crazy to me to just swap out a $6 A2 mount if it isn't in spec. The problem is somebody shooting through an out of spec A2 installed with a crush washer and then wanting SiCo to replace the can under warranty. We all know those idiots are out there. Quoted:
Exactly. I haven't heard of any complaints with Griffin's A2 mounting system. Like I said before, and several posters seem to have confirmed...if SilencerCo wanted to do it, they would've done it already. MAAD may not be dead, but the buzzards are circling overhead. How many people even have the M4SD's, they simply don't seem to be that popular? Of those with the M4SD, how many bothered to keep the A2 instead of using the excellent Griffin mounts that are ground to .0001 tolerance? If I remember correctly, one of the reasons the NT4's are loud is because the bore size was increased to deal with tolerances in mounts. So who wants a loud can, that wobbles around because of loose tolerances. GP you tout the Dead Air stuff and praise their mount, is it because it's loose and wobbles around or is it because they lock up tight and in a repeatable fashion? Doesn't seem like there's much upside to using the A2 mount, otherwise all the suppressor manufacturers would be making cans that utilize them. |
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They lost me when they came out with the YHM mount that was very long and heavy. They did this AFTER they advertised a shorter, lighter Y mount that had me excited. In my opinion, they shit the bed on this system for me. And they still have the old pic when you click Buy Now on their site. Since I only use the LT muzzle devices, I keep thinking I'm going to get some shorter custom ones made, in either Ti or SS...and only 1-piece if possible. Need to bounce some ideas off a machinist, but I did get the YHM specs to work with. |
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The problem is somebody shooting through an out of spec A2 installed with a crush washer and then wanting SiCo to replace the can under warranty. We all know those idiots are out there. How many people even have the M4SD's, they simply don't seem to be that popular? Of those with the M4SD, how many bothered to keep the A2 instead of using the excellent Griffin mounts that are ground to .0001 tolerance? If I remember correctly, one of the reasons the NT4's are loud is because the bore size was increased to deal with tolerances in mounts. So who wants a loud can, that wobbles around because of loose tolerances. GP you tout the Dead Air stuff and praise their mount, is it because it's loose and wobbles around or is it because they lock up tight and in a repeatable fashion? Doesn't seem like there's much upside to using the A2 mount, otherwise all the suppressor manufacturers would be making cans that utilize them. Quoted:
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I find that odd though since it seems that KAC and Griffin seem to have been able to make theirs work. It doesn't seem that crazy to me to just swap out a $6 A2 mount if it isn't in spec. The problem is somebody shooting through an out of spec A2 installed with a crush washer and then wanting SiCo to replace the can under warranty. We all know those idiots are out there. Quoted:
Exactly. I haven't heard of any complaints with Griffin's A2 mounting system. Like I said before, and several posters seem to have confirmed...if SilencerCo wanted to do it, they would've done it already. MAAD may not be dead, but the buzzards are circling overhead. How many people even have the M4SD's, they simply don't seem to be that popular? Of those with the M4SD, how many bothered to keep the A2 instead of using the excellent Griffin mounts that are ground to .0001 tolerance? If I remember correctly, one of the reasons the NT4's are loud is because the bore size was increased to deal with tolerances in mounts. So who wants a loud can, that wobbles around because of loose tolerances. GP you tout the Dead Air stuff and praise their mount, is it because it's loose and wobbles around or is it because they lock up tight and in a repeatable fashion? Doesn't seem like there's much upside to using the A2 mount, otherwise all the suppressor manufacturers would be making cans that utilize them. I agree with everything you said. However, I do like the very factory look of having an A2 flash hider or something very similar to an A2 for a suppressor mount. I took a hard look at the Griffin A2 mount stuff before I decided to go with a Spartan 3 for absolute lightness. I'd still like a can that mounts to an A2, and the only thing holding me back is money. A proprietary mount designed from the ground up is the best method because of the mounting system and because of the tighter bore. A silencer that mounts to A2s, etc. is more about the factory look and the lightweight flash hider in my book. The cost of the A2 mount isn't a selling point for me, but I know it is for others. I think $80 for a suppressor mount is completely fine. There's a lot of room in the market for A2 mount silencers, and that was the mount I was looking forward to with the Saker. I decided to hold off on a Saker and wait to see the A2 mount...and they never made it. I would've been extremely disappointed if I bought it for the future promise of an A2 mount. |
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