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Posted: 6/9/2003 5:29:27 PM EDT
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Im wondering, is the basic 1911 design stout enough to handle full auto fire? Supposing one was converted to full auto, would it survive? What would break first? Please understand, im not asking for advice for how to do something illegal, or sugesting anyone else do something illegal. This is purely a technical question. So you don't need to tell me that i'm going to go to jail. Ben, The Emu 
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Fer Crist sake! No one here is willing to give a serious answer? How about this question: What is the difference between a regular Barreta 92 and a 93R(machine pistol)? Is it just the trigger, sear and related components? Is the rest of the gun stronger/beefier? If so, where? AGAIN: Please understand, im not asking for advice for how to do something illegal, or sugesting anyone else do something illegal. This is purely a technical question. So you don't need to tell me that i'm going to go to jail. Should i assume that all you jack asses that gave smart ass answers don't know? Ben, The(seriously)Emu |
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Same question for Glock: G17 vs G18(machine pistol) Is it just the trigger, sear and related components? Is the rest of the gun stronger/beefier? If so, where? Im trying to understand the machanics of machine guns and learn more stuff. Not do anything that would send me to jail.  Yea, yea, the GCA of 1934, prohibits manufacturing various stuff with out the blessing of the Gov. There is a difference between knowing how something works and using that knowlege to commit a crime. Ben, The Emu  
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The answer to your original question is yes. The 1911 is strong enough to take full auto fire. How do I know? Well, let's just say that used to know a few very, uh...creative, machinists. The 1911 is well capable of full-auto fire, handling it is a different matter entirely. |
Robar, thanks. i thought so. JM browning was one smart guy! So did your "creative machinist" friends change anything besides the trigger/sear parts? What was the rate of fire? Anything else technically interesting you can share? Ben, The(FullOfQuestions)Emu |
| The Spanish built a 9mm & a 9x21mm machine pistol based on the 1911. It was difficult to control as most are, but none the less effective and successful. I shot a WWII survivor at a gunshop in Phoenix. Cruder than most 1911s, but fun none the less. It needed a fore-grip and a bigger magazine IMHO. |
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There's one in the FBI museum that was home cnverted by Machinegun Kelly or somebody or other. The Spanish pistol was the Star model "M". It was basically a select-fire model "A". There was a switch on the right side to select the mode. ROF was around 800RPM. It was .45 ACP, and other calibers. I would think controllability would be questionable, but you could set it up with a comp, detachable shoulder stock, etc and it'd be interesting to shoot to say the least. Ross |
Can't give you any more info than what I already have Emu. This took place 15+ years ago, and I've gone to sleep since then. These guys were all x Vietnam vets, working in a shop in rural South Jersey. They'd do a bunch of stuff, like make their own claymore mines (and detonate them). It was a good group of guys, I just didn't pay as close attention to them as I should have. |
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Here is a pic and a link to the guns John Dillinger supposedly used. The is a 1911 in .38 super that is supposedly full-auto. www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/web/dillinger.htm 
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Sorry Emu, As for the 93R/92, Don't have a clue. Always wondered what I needed to turn my 92FS into a 93R? Also as for making things full-auto. My dad said that they used to make Garands FA in WWII all the time. Just file down the sear a little. He said some guys liked it and some didn't. Again sorry for the Heat remark. ED |
| a 1911 can handle full auto and not blow up, i changed the grip safety to a different type, and added a skelotonised hammer, everything looked and functioned fine, i went to the range to try her out, i unloaded a whole mag with one pull of the trigger, when the slide came back and cocked the hammer it did not catch the sear surface, the trigger hit the beavertail safety and bounced off before engaging the sear, it only happened when powered by a live round, but a function test with an unloaded gun worked fine, i saw that the hammer was tagging the safety, and i took off the burr, all is great now, but a full auto 45 will really rock your world, especially when you are not expecting it |
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More interesting stuff. We really need to repeal the '34 GCA. I have all these ideas in my head that are doomed to remain pencil sketches in a note book. the one that promped all the questions ive been asking is a machine pistol that has the magazine in front of the trigger gaurd, but has the ergonomics and basic operating principle of the 1911. Mag release is like on a AR. It looks good on paper, i guess it will have to stay there... I'll have to find a scanner and share it with you fine folks. Ben, The(Tinkering)Emu |
A 1911 can be bump fired as well. So, I'm sure it can handle full auto. What's the point with such limited ammunition capacity? It would be almost as useless as a F.A. M-1. Maybe a Para Ord. P14 with an extended Mag. would be better suited. |
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