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6/18/2006 12:17:11 PM EDT
Is a weapon with a caliber larger than .50 considered a DD or an AOW?
6/19/2006 6:47:41 AM EDT
[#1]
IIRC, rifles (except muzzle loaders) larger than .50" are considered DDs.
6/19/2006 2:41:56 PM EDT
[#2]
Any firearm with a bore of >.5" is a DD, unless the BATF says it has "sporting purpose".  For a long time, they said that all shotguns were sporting.  This is why USAS-12's and Streetsweepers were sold as title I guns.  Then they later decided that those guns weren't "sporting" and presto, they became destructive devices.

Similarly, the BATF has said that rifles chambered in certain cartridges >.5 are "sporting" and therefore not DD's.  Mostly they're calibers used for big-game hunting like .577 Tyrannosaur, .600NE and .700NE.  But a rifle chambered in 20mm is a DD, because there's no exemption for that cartridge.
6/19/2006 4:05:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. So what is considered an AOW then?

ETA: I'm thinking flame throwers and similar weapons.
6/19/2006 4:24:35 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. So what is considered an AOW then?

ETA: I'm thinking flame throwers and similar weapons.


AOWs are a pretty wide class: Pen guns, knife guns, belt-buckle guns; guns fired from within cases or holsters; pistols with more than one vertical grip; shoulder-fired weapons with both rifled and smoothbore barrels between 12 and 18 inches long; non-shoulder-fired smoothbore weapons (i.e., pistol-gripped-from-the-factory shotguns) whose barrels are sub-18"; and anything else BATF can throw in there.
6/20/2006 7:16:40 PM EDT
[#5]
Another strange exemption, the soviet 14.5x118mm is not DD.  A 1,100gr slug going 3,000fps+ is fairly cool.  Rounds are 30$ a piece but you can reload.  Anyone have a WWII Soviet Anti-tank rifle out there?
6/21/2006 3:03:10 PM EDT
[#6]
I see. thanks for the info.
6/25/2006 2:53:37 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. So what is considered an AOW then?

ETA: I'm thinking flame throwers and similar weapons.



Flame Throwers are not even regulated by the BATF

Type NAF (not a firearm)...
6/26/2006 6:03:15 PM EDT
[#8]

Origionaly posted by Dave_A:Flame Throwers are not even regulated by the BATF

Type NAF (not a firearm)...



Realy? Thats interesting.
7/10/2006 4:22:07 PM EDT
[#9]
For a large caliber rifle does the ammo also need to be registered or is it not restricted assuming you have a registared DD?
7/10/2006 5:41:31 PM EDT
[#10]
The ammo is only registered if it has over a certain amount of explosives in it (a couple oz?  I forget the exact amount).  So for example, a 40mm chalk training round is not a DD, but a 40mm HE round is.
7/19/2006 6:47:15 PM EDT
[#11]
Here is a question that has plagued me:  what is the MK 19?  MG or DD?  Also, is there a transferrable unit out there somwhere?
7/19/2006 7:20:13 PM EDT
[#12]
The MK 19 is full-auto, so it is a machine gun (full auto trumpts every other class). AFAIK, there are no transferables in the Registry. If you want to play with one, you'll have to enlist.
7/19/2006 8:20:22 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
The MK 19 is full-auto, so it is a machine gun (full auto trumpts every other class). AFAIK, there are no transferables in the Registry. If you want to play with one, you'll have to enlist.


One was advertised a few years ago, and someone did post it up in the GD.  I want to say the guy wanted half a million for it..?

But yes, one does exist.  

Mike
7/19/2006 10:51:59 PM EDT
[#14]
Only $500k? And I missed it? Oh, no!

If that was the price a few years ago, I wonder what it's worth now......
8/9/2006 5:40:59 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
The MK 19 is full-auto, so it is a machine gun (full auto trumpts every other class). AFAIK, there are no transferables in the Registry. If you want to play with one, you'll have to enlist.


Actually it's a DD/MG just like the 20mm Vulcan and Oerlikon cannons.  I just mentioned this in another post, but this is the only situation in all the NFA statutes where a single firearm can be in 2 categories. A DD's bore diameter and general design to fire explosive projectiles is not cancelled out by the definition of an MG.  In all other categories and situations, the legal definition of the firearm cancels out another.  SBS cannot be SBR, SBR cannot be MG, but an MG CAN be also a DD at the same time.

And as someone already mentioned, there is a single transferable Mk-19 out there somewhere. Trouble is that at $500,000, you'd think it would come with 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms and a full kitchen...
8/13/2006 3:20:25 PM EDT
[#16]
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Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. So what is considered an AOW then?

ETA: I'm thinking flame throwers and similar weapons.


Flame Throwers are not even regulated by the BATF

Type NAF (not a firearm)...


Some guy named Darwin is in charge of regulating private use of flamethrowers. Mark
8/17/2006 8:28:36 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Another strange exemption, the soviet 14.5x118mm is not DD.  A 1,100gr slug going 3,000fps+ is fairly cool.  Rounds are 30$ a piece but you can reload.  Anyone have a WWII Soviet Anti-tank rifle out there?


The 14.5 semi and bolt action guns are DD's. LMO has one for sale right now.
8/30/2006 7:25:26 PM EDT
[#18]
So wait two questions:

Flame Throwers are not regulated???  Prove it.  

And if a 14.5" bbl M16 is for sale would one need to pay the tax on it twice?  Once for the SBR and once for FA?  
8/30/2006 8:20:38 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
So wait two questions:

Flame Throwers are not regulated???  Prove it.  

And if a 14.5" bbl M16 is for sale would one need to pay the tax on it twice?  Once for the SBR and once for FA?  


Flame Throwers are not regulated, but that's something you can look into yourself.

No, a registered M16 can have any length barrel and does not require an SBR stamp.
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