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Originally Posted By Magsz18: Unless there is a separate button to activate the white light or a pseudo vis over ride capability, integrated white lights in MFAL's are worthless. Yeah, I'd love a viz override with it, I'm a big fan of viz override. CQB, white light, come out of NODs and just click into that viz override for the win. Having to move a switch multiple clicks just don't work at all in practice. |
 Laserspeed Goes Legit: The M6-TR Hop has added his opinion now to the M6TR. In a nutshell, he likes it. That's good reviews now from 4MR Ranch, Hop, and Thin Line Defense, who all have great reviews on the product. Thin Line Defense probably has been the most critical of the device that I've seen so far, but I'd say it was still an overall favorable review. I know from Instagram that BrassFacts is also evaluating the M6TR and should have a video soon, this will be a nice addition to the reviews because Hop is left handed so that will be helpful for our wrong handed brothers. |
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Originally Posted By eesmith: Ordered an attenuated one from reddit today, interested to get it in and compare against my FP one. The attenuated version is so much better. To be clear, both the attenuated M6TR and the standard M6TR are both full power devices but the designator/aiming laser on the attenuated version is dialed back a bit to 5mW instead of the standard 30mW that blooms like crazy under NODs -- it's unusable in the original config, in my opinion. If you feel that original designator is too strong, you will really like the attenuated model. I have bought two from u/justherefortheguns and he is great to work with and ships fast. |
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Originally Posted By WVUSIG: The attenuated version is so much better. To be clear, both the attenuated M6TR and the standard M6TR are both full power devices but the designator/aiming laser on the attenuated version is dialed back a bit to 5mW instead of the standard 30mW that blooms like crazy under NODs -- it's unusable in the original config, in my opinion. If you feel that original designator is too strong, you will really like the attenuated model. I have bought two from u/justherefortheguns and he is great to work with and ships fast. Originally Posted By WVUSIG: Originally Posted By eesmith: Ordered an attenuated one from reddit today, interested to get it in and compare against my FP one. The attenuated version is so much better. To be clear, both the attenuated M6TR and the standard M6TR are both full power devices but the designator/aiming laser on the attenuated version is dialed back a bit to 5mW instead of the standard 30mW that blooms like crazy under NODs -- it's unusable in the original config, in my opinion. If you feel that original designator is too strong, you will really like the attenuated model. I have bought two from u/justherefortheguns and he is great to work with and ships fast. |
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Originally Posted By WVUSIG: The attenuated version is so much better. To be clear, both the attenuated M6TR and the standard M6TR are both full power devices but the designator/aiming laser on the attenuated version is dialed back a bit to 5mW instead of the standard 30mW that blooms like crazy under NODs -- it's unusable in the original config, in my opinion. If you feel that original designator is too strong, you will really like the attenuated model. I have bought two from u/justherefortheguns and he is great to work with and ships fast. What did it cost if you don't mind me asking? I'm up to my ears in lasers but always curious to see what's out there. |
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Originally Posted By 135Patriots: What did it cost if you don't mind me asking? I'm up to my ears in lasers but always curious to see what's out there. When I bought, he was selling them for $920 shipped. He mentioned the price would be going on on future batches and I am not sure what he charges now. |
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Originally Posted By WVUSIG: When I bought, he was selling them for $920 shipped. He mentioned the price would be going on on future batches and I am not sure what he charges now. Originally Posted By WVUSIG: Originally Posted By 135Patriots: What did it cost if you don't mind me asking? I'm up to my ears in lasers but always curious to see what's out there. When I bought, he was selling them for $920 shipped. He mentioned the price would be going on on future batches and I am not sure what he charges now. |
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Originally Posted By eesmith: I paid 920 today for an attenuated, I think the FDE -whenever they arrive- will be an extra 40. He mentioned to me that future batches would come with the diffuser and would cost more due to the diffuser. However, those of us who purchased a unit prior to the diffuser would get the diffuser for free. So perhaps the diffuser is not yet shipping with the M6TRs. I had no idea they were going to make them in FDE. I guess i will be back in the market for an FDE one this time. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Cold Harbor Supply just came out with their own version of the M6TR from Laserspeed made to be a little more tame and managable with the power output so that your night vision will not autogate like crazy. Also, on Instagram Villain Weapon Systems confirmed that they are working on a diffuser cap for it, no ETA on th time when that will be available though. I'm going to wait and see how the VWS diffuser does with it and wait to see some reviews on the Cold Harbor Supply version. What kind of design it? I think it should be a two piece, one for the laser and then a second cap that goes over the first one and that one takes on the illuminator. This way you can have a powerful illuminator for long range that’s undiffused but a laser that won’t blot the target out. And then for when you want a diffused illum, well you’re always gonna want a diffused laser then since you’re probably close in range. So yeah two piece diffuser, first is laser and then second cap goes over illum. That should be the design goal and I don’t think anyone else would be worth it. |
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Originally Posted By WVUSIG: He mentioned to me that future batches would come with the diffuser and would cost more due to the diffuser. However, those of us who purchased a unit prior to the diffuser would get the diffuser for free. So perhaps the diffuser is not yet shipping with the M6TRs. I had no idea they were going to make them in FDE. I guess i will be back in the market for an FDE one this time. Originally Posted By WVUSIG: Originally Posted By eesmith: I paid 920 today for an attenuated, I think the FDE -whenever they arrive- will be an extra 40. He mentioned to me that future batches would come with the diffuser and would cost more due to the diffuser. However, those of us who purchased a unit prior to the diffuser would get the diffuser for free. So perhaps the diffuser is not yet shipping with the M6TRs. I had no idea they were going to make them in FDE. I guess i will be back in the market for an FDE one this time. https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/DzRbdH7Zqp |
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Originally Posted By eesmith: They have a new pressure pad with this shipment, only black for now though. He said he's probably going to get some FDE in a future order. https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/DzRbdH7Zqp Thanks! That looks great! The pressure pad isn't a big deal to me as I run Unity Axons anyways but the FDE sure is a big deal! |
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Originally Posted By WVUSIG: He mentioned to me that future batches would come with the diffuser and would cost more due to the diffuser. However, those of us who purchased a unit prior to the diffuser would get the diffuser for free. So perhaps the diffuser is not yet shipping with the M6TRs. I had no idea they were going to make them in FDE. I guess i will be back in the market for an FDE one this time. Oh, now that's interesting. So the future batches will have a diffuser from the factory? I'm very interested to see reports on how that works. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Oh, now that's interesting. So the future batches will have a diffuser from the factor? I'm very interested to see reports on how that works. This is what he told me a couple months ago but it sounds like the most recent batch does not have the diffuser, so they are probably still in development. Villain Weapons Systems has noted that they, too, are working on a diffuser for the M6TR. |
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Comparing my two units, one full flavor and the other attenuated. The new one is actually usable without the illum, the first one blooms so much you need the flood to tame it down. The low power illum is also noticeably brighter, it's definitely better balanced. The new pressure pad is also waaay better, I have another modbutton coming but this one is actually small and almost decent. It's an actual usable spare, and not "toss immediately in the trash" hot garbage like the original. Low power:  High power:  New pad:  |
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Looks good, new pressure pad and the attenuated version is the way to go. Now we just need the diffuser cap either from Laserspeed or Villain Weapon Systems (VWS), whoever comes out first with it. I prefer if it just came with the unit rather than having to pay more money. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Looks good, new pressure pad and the attenuated version is the way to go. Now we just need the diffuser cap either from Laserspeed or Villain Weapon Systems (VWS), whoever comes out first with it. I prefer if it just came with the unit rather than having to pay more money. If you bought your M6TR from u/justherefortheguns then you will get the Laserspeed diffuser for free. |
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| Tried swapping a new modbutton on the first one, now the crane port is dead. Laser still works, just no switch will work. Guess I get to find out how the warranty process works now. The ports are definitely a little snug. |
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Originally Posted By eesmith: Tried swapping a new modbutton on the first one, now the crane port is dead. Laser still works, just no switch will work. Guess I get to find out how the warranty process works now. The ports are definitely a little snug. Please keep us updated, that is my worry about them. Trying to warranty |
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Originally Posted By Yumago: Please keep us updated, that is my worry about them. Trying to warranty |
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There's a pretty serious rub spot on the button that came in today, this one wouldn't fit snug while the first one would. When my replacement comes in I may sand this a little first before I install it.  |
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Originally Posted By eesmith: There's a pretty serious rub spot on the button that came in today, this one wouldn't fit snug while the first one would. When my replacement comes in I may sand this a little first before I install it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_2887-3398879.jpg My crane plugs all fit really, really tight in the crane port on both of my M6TRs. I can usually push them in one-handed and then use two hands, one to hold the optic and one to push on the crane plug, to get it to go the remaining 1/16". Did you get yours through u/justherefortheguns? |
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Originally Posted By WVUSIG: My crane plugs all fit really, really tight in the crane port on both of my M6TRs. I can usually push them in one-handed and then use two hands, one to hold the optic and one to push on the crane plug, to get it to go the remaining 1/16". Did you get yours through u/justherefortheguns? Originally Posted By WVUSIG: Originally Posted By eesmith: There's a pretty serious rub spot on the button that came in today, this one wouldn't fit snug while the first one would. When my replacement comes in I may sand this a little first before I install it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_2887-3398879.jpg My crane plugs all fit really, really tight in the crane port on both of my M6TRs. I can usually push them in one-handed and then use two hands, one to hold the optic and one to push on the crane plug, to get it to go the remaining 1/16". Did you get yours through u/justherefortheguns? I probably should have left the new included pad installed, the button just sticks up a little and I wanted one that needs a little more positive pressure to activate. |
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I took a picture of what the port looks like, the factory pad fits snug and without much pressure needed, but I think the modbuttons are a hair oversized and the ports on the small side. IMO if you've got a switch that fits and works fine, probably best to treat it as a permanent installation at this point.  |
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Originally Posted By eesmith: I took a picture of what the port looks like, the factory pad fits snug and without much pressure needed, but I think the modbuttons are a hair oversized and the ports on the small side. IMO if you've got a switch that fits and works fine, probably best to treat it as a permanent installation at this point. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_2902-3399578.jpg Yikes, the plastic making up that port must be pretty soft. |
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I've had mine replaced one already through reddit guy. I was a pretty worried I was going to get hosed but it was painless. I had to tap my modbutton crane plug in with a small rubber mallet. I'm just treating it as permanent and hoping the modbutton doesn't take a crap anytime soon. 
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Well, if that crane port issue is happening to a lot of their units I'm sure LaserSpeed will correct it in subsequent production runs pretty soon. They seem to pretty flexible and quick to make improvements. Sounds like they're going to be rolling out a vcsel model in the very near future. I give them credit - they are an order of magnitude more receptive to run of the mill user feedback than "legacy" laser mfgs. I may just have to give one of these a shot |
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Originally Posted By 135Patriots: Sounds like they're going to be rolling out a vcsel model in the very near future. I give them credit - they are an order of magnitude more receptive to run of the mill user feedback than "legacy" laser mfgs. I may just have to give one of these a shot Yeah, it's kind of refreshing for a change. Although I give Wilcox credit for offering their crane port adapater for the RaidXe pretty quickly after user feed back on it, just sadly that unit is over the top feature rich and as a consequence absurdly expensive. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Yeah, it's kind of refreshing for a change. Although I give Wilcox credit for offering their crane port adapater for the RaidXe pretty quickly after user feed back on it, just sadly that unit is over the top feature rich and as a consequence absurdly expensive. Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Originally Posted By 135Patriots: Sounds like they're going to be rolling out a vcsel model in the very near future. I give them credit - they are an order of magnitude more receptive to run of the mill user feedback than "legacy" laser mfgs. I may just have to give one of these a shot Yeah, it's kind of refreshing for a change. Although I give Wilcox credit for offering their crane port adapater for the RaidXe pretty quickly after user feed back on it, just sadly that unit is over the top feature rich and as a consequence absurdly expensive. You see this in other industries. Smaller/newer companies tend to be more agile and dynamic and much more willing to bring in customer feedback and rapidly evolve products to gain market share. Then the legacy companies are all like, "why did we lose market share?" |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: You see this in other industries. Smaller/newer companies tend to be more agile and dynamic and much more willing to bring in customer feedback and rapidly evolve products to gain market share. Then the legacy companies are all like, "why did we lose market share?" Agreed. The unfortunate reality of this extremely niche market is that there isn't a strong, market-driven process to hold those domestic legacy players accountable for their nonsense. They don't really care what we think so long as they can continue winning govt contracts. If L3 never sold another ATPIAL-C, I genuinely don't think it would amount to a rounding error on their overall P&L. So why should they care? |
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Villain Weapon Systems over on their Instagram just showed a redacted picture of the M6TR with their diffuser cap and stated that it should be released soon. I know some are waiting on the Laserspeed factory diffuser, but it looks to me that VWS is going to beat them to release. I'm excited to see how good of a job that it does, but if it's like any of his other diffusers it should be pretty awesome and reasonably priced. If it performs as expected then there really is no reason to not buy the attenuated M6TR other than perhaps the risk that you could get one with a crane port issue, but that's what warranties are for. The primary competitor to the M6TR appears to be the highly anticipated Holosun IRIS, but my understanding is that the IRIS had to go through a redesign and then back to FDA for approval. If it went to FDA anytime in the last two months you can count on a long delay due to the holiday season. Plus, production probably will not go into full swing until Holosun has the FDA approval and it could take easily a month for units just to ship to the USA and get through customs. I don't reasonably expect the IRIS to show up until the end of the first quarter of 2025, at the earliest. So, I think the M6TR right now is unrivaled in terms of performance and cost ratio. It will be interesting though to see what the IRIS costs when it comes to market and whether that will impact the Laserspeed's cost? I would welcome some competition that benefits us consumers when it comes to price. Imagine a world where you could buy a damn good MFAL at aound $750 to $800. Civilian night vision users would have finally reached the "Holy Land" at that point.  Next big steps will be decreasing the cost of thermal and hopefully at some point the cost of analog night vision tubes or seious advancement in digital night vision. I'd love to live in a world where more civilians had night vision and the assessories, because that would inevitably lead to more night shoots being hosted and more training opportunities throughout the country. I've already seen the MILSIM community go from just a few rich kids running Night Vision at events ten years ago to it being pretty much the norm now. We are bringing our Founders' dream of a well regulated Militia to fruition and in so doing slowly strengthening the security of our democracy for generations to come, it's cool stuff. |
| I talked to the vendor about mine, he gave me some tips and I was able to get it working again for a while, but it stopped after a bit. I'm going to send it in when I get home in a few weeks, maybe I'll get one with an adjusted port size. |
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Cold Harbor Supply showed a picture on their Instagram story yesterday of the new M6TR with the White Light Head that is coming out shortly. Keep your eyes open for it and let us know the specs of the white light if you see them. Hopefully, Laserspeed has improved the crane port on those. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Cold Harbor just got in a new VCSEL M6TR, in addition to the cleaner beam pattern that VCSEL is known for it apparently the illuminator can expand it's beam out more than the EEL version. Dope. But it might end up more expensive than an IRIS 3. But... It will be available in tan... So, M6TR it is for me  
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Dope. But it might end up more expensive than an IRIS 3. But... It will be available in tan... So, M6TR it is for me I'm curious how it compares to the IRIS. The M6TRV shows for $1,063 on CHS, so just a shade more than the IRIS. I'm in for one when FDE releases. |
| So I was extremely lazy and didn't get around to sending my FP M6TR until the middle of September, it didn't make it back until a couple weeks ago. Apparently it had to make the trip to China and back for repair. I'm at work now, but when I get back in a couple weeks I'll report on whether or not the crane port seems to play better with modbuttons. |
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