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6/14/2015 11:28:14 PM EDT
OK, maybe I'm missing it, but i have searched high and low, and can't find a solution to this anywhere.  I can reload 9mm, 45, 308, 260, etc. using my LNL progressive.  Now, when I try to reload .223, it is a freaking MESS!  Powder spills on the press every time I lower a case from the powder drop.  It's not spilling over from the case (23.8 gr of H335), but it spills all over the place.  It gets under the primer station, and screws up the proper feeding, it basically makes reloading a mess.  Now, I have even waited three seconds, to ensure all of the powder has dropped, but I still get the same result.  Sometimes, I end up with about 14.5 grains in the case, and the rest spilled all over the shell plate.  I've also tried IMR 4895, with the same result.  

Either of these powders will pour perfectly in a 308 casing or a 260 casing.  

Any help would be appreciated.  

Thanks,
Cisco
6/14/2015 11:53:06 PM EDT
[#1]
Is the activating bushing in the correct way? The flatter funnel side should be towards the case mouth, the steep side towards the powder drop.
6/14/2015 11:53:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Welcome to the Reloading Forum.



The LNL guys will be by shortly to help you out.
6/15/2015 6:58:19 AM EDT
[#3]
Sorry, can't help except to report that I reload .223, mostly with IMR8208 XBR and H-335 without significant problems.  Every 25 rounds or so I will notice one or perhaps two kernels on top of the shell plate.  I'm sure they're coming out of the throat of the powder drop rather than bouncing out of the case.  However, since that's as bad as it gets, I don't worry about it other than to take a brush and sweep them away from the primer unit.  All it takes is one piece to screw up the priming device.  

Unfortunately, I don't know how to help except to say apparently there is hope for you to get your press working better.  If you find the problem, please report back.  Good luck.
6/15/2015 2:10:14 PM EDT
[#4]
Yep.  It's all together correctly.  In fact, if I manually push the casing into the powder drop, then lower it, nothing spills.  The issue defies logic, really.  Powder drops into the casing...the END.  But it's not really working like that with my .223.

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6/15/2015 3:14:44 PM EDT
[#5]
Maybe the case isn't going into the powder drop straight.

Is the case in the shell holder all the way?
Are the dentents completely engaged?
Correct shell Plate?
6/15/2015 4:30:49 PM EDT
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Yep.  It's all together correctly.  In fact, if I manually push the casing into the powder drop, then lower it, nothing spills.  The issue defies logic, really.  Powder drops into the casing...the END.  But it's not really working like that with my .223.




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Yep.  It's all together correctly.  In fact, if I manually push the casing into the powder drop, then lower it, nothing spills.  The issue defies logic, really.  Powder drops into the casing...the END.  But it's not really working like that with my .223.




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Is the activating bushing in the correct way? The flatter funnel side should be towards the case mouth, the steep side towards the powder drop.




Are you sure you're using the correct bushing?  the opening should be smaller than the diameter of the case mouth.



If I remember right, the 3 bushings or sleeve they come with, the longest one is for pistol cartridges, then there are 2 short ones for rifle.  You want the short one with the smaller opening.



Maybe check to see if this sleeve might have been machined wrong and the opening is too large or perhaps there is a burr or something in the tapered area where the case mouth contacts it that may prevent a good "seal" between it and the case that allows some powder to spill out.



 
6/15/2015 5:21:34 PM EDT
[#7]
It would help a great deal to report exactly when the powder is leaving the case. Absent that, I'll try to cover a couple of scenarios.

Powder comes out as you withdraw from the PM: most likely wrong parts or improper assembly. Probably not your issue, because you report no powder when you slowly withdraw a case from the PM.

Powder pops out when the case hits the subplate when operating the press at normal speed: Most frequent cause is loose shellplate. Somewhere on the press a case is experiencing heavy friction (normal) withdrawing . . . eg sizing die, PTS expander (not your situation with 223). The shellplate seems tight, but actually lifts a small fraction under press leverage . . . the cases finally release when the shellplate can't raise any more . . . then as you push the lever up the shellplate returns to the subplate helping slam the case into the subplate . . . powder pops out. Tighten the shellplate.

Powder pops out when indexing: In this scenario the shellplate's ball bearings are pulling the shellplate "violently" into place. Could be poor pawl alignment . . . not likely because you don't report powder popping out of 45 cases but that depends on which 45 and how full the case is with your powder charge. Second cause is the 223 shellplate's ball bearings are too prominent, grab the detents too quickly, and jerk the shellplate forward to a quick stop . . . out pops powder. Tap the ball bearings up into the shellplate a tad. If you tap them up too far, turn the plate over and tap them back. Do this until the shellplate settles gently into the detents.

So, it could be a defective part (most likely shellplate), but I'd advise watching each case carefully UNDER NORMAL OPERATION. See when the powder pops out - that will point to a fix.
6/15/2015 7:17:18 PM EDT
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Sounds like you are using the wrong bushing. It comes with 3 bushings. One for pistol. 308 and 223 do NOT use the same bushing
6/15/2015 11:19:25 PM EDT
[#9]
I use my LNL AP to load .223 and have no issues. I have used H335, AA2015 and VV N540. No spilling.

I am traveling now but if you need pictures let me know. I can do it when I am home later in the week.

Try a different station for powder to rule that out.
6/16/2015 1:22:54 AM EDT
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This.  Using the wrong larger bushing will put most of the powder in the case but some will accumulate around the outside of the neck and spill out when lowered.

Or I could be completely wrong and it's something else entirely.
6/16/2015 8:18:11 PM EDT
[#11]
My LNL AP progressive press, loads 223 with great ease and powder drop accuracy and performs like a well oiled machine.

Yes, sounds like the wrong bushing is used or it's in upside down.
6/16/2015 9:09:50 PM EDT
[#12]
I don't have any issues with spilled powder and .223.  
.223 bushing on the left and what I use for 9mm on the right.

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