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Posted: 6/22/2006 9:20:09 AM EDT
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While waiting on my DIAS my dealer says he also has a M16A2 9mm that inculdes a .223 upper. I have a good idea of what the .223's are going for but not sure if the 9mm lower is worth more or less than that?? Is one combo more desirable than the other?? |
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If it is a factory Colt 9mm (Colt 635) then it would be worth more as they are more rare than other M16's. They are not usually marked M16A2. They usually are roll stamped with the prancing pony, then the Colt name logo underneath and then just "SMG" followed by "Cal. 9mm NATO" or something to that effect. |
In addition, a factory Colt 9mm full-auto will have holes drilled in both sides of the mag well, since the 9mm block is permanently pinned in by Colt. To use the lower with a 5.56 upper, you must drill/drive out those pins so standard 5.56 mags can be used. At that point it cannot be returned to factory original, and thus really hammers the collector value of a factory 635. |
| I was able to go look at it today. It is a factory 9mm 635 and you are correct that it has no M16 markings only the Colt 9mm. It currently has a .223 10.5"upper but includes all the 9mm parts also. The receiver also has the three small holes in mag well as you mention. Not sure I can afford it but he seems to want a fair price. How much does the .223 conversion hurt it? |
| 8500.00 . Not sure if the price is firm. I am already getting a DIAS and a YHM can from him. adding that to the mix is a heck of alot of money at one time. Im not really sure what kind of local deals take place across the country. I just see the prices online. This gun seems like a fair deal but Im "green"! |
Buy it this instant! $8,500 is at least $5,000-6,000 under market value. Or if you prefer, email me the dealer's name and contact info. If the gun is what you say it is, and he sells it to me at $8,500, I will pay you a $1,000 finder's fee. 
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I'm confused. Are we talking about an actual, transferable Colt 635? Or a converted sporter? If it's a true subgun, it's the screaming deal of the century, and should be bought instantly. If it's a converted sporter, it's still a very, very good deal. I own a converted 9mm sporter. It's not hard at all to pop the pinned blocks out with the correct punch, and use the gun for 5.56 or whatever. I had a Hahn block for 9mm rather than repin the originals. When I finally bought a sear, I reinstalled the Colt blocks to take it back to its original state. |
| Well...Im afraid it may still not happen. I think there is a good chance it want transfer even though the dealer says it will. He is supposed to call BATF to find out for sure. I think it may be post 86 but he thinks its already on a form 4 in his safe???? He said he bought it as a personal gun and thought he remembered paying the 200.00 tax. He cant remember for sure....I said OOOK??? I have a feeling I want sleep that great tonight. |
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A presample that a dealer had who dropped his license would transfer to a dealer on form 4 the next time. A simple call to the NFA branch will reveal it's staus in the registry, If it transfered as transferable before does not mean they won't catch the mistake this time and deny the transfer. |
Unfortunately, this one is either transferable or a post-sample. So a dealer could not have kept it and transferred it to another dealer on a Form 4. 
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| I talked to a dealer recently who had some post-samples for sale who said they would need to transfer on a Form 4. I asked about the Form 4 part thinking it was a typo, and he said he was no longer a dealer. he said he needed to move these and had been given a short time to do so. I asked how long he was being given since it has always been my understanding that you had to clear out any post-samples before your FFL/SOT lapsed or was surrendered. He said he had not had a FFL/SOT in over seven years and he had been told over a year ago to clear out the post-samples, and now had till the end of the month. His excuse was that nobody had ever asked if he still had any post-samples when he surrendered his FFL/SOT, or whatever his situation was. Post-sample have and can accidenally end up on a Form 4. |
Seven years?!?!? And then another year-plus of grace? He is either extremely lucky, or has an extremely indulgent BATF field agent. I'm really surprised BATF did not just confiscate his posties when they found out he still had 'em. In every instance I'm aware of, BATF was really draconian on the issue. Which is why I'd never heard of a post-sample on a Form 4.
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The saga continues. I finally get back with him today. He tells me it is on a form 4 and ATF in WV. said it will transfer. Then he tells me that its not registared with the lowers # but with the sear??? Problem is its a factory pin in sear and couldnt be legal in a post ban gun the way I see it. It would have had to be a RDIAS. I would say the deals off but I going to see what the # on his form 4 matchs up to for the heak of it. He said he will get a friend at local ATF to look at it also. The way I see it the ATF in WV would be happy to transfer stamp but I think all I would get is a paper for a sear that would be illegal to use and a gun that would be illegal to own. Keep in mind this imfo may still not be accurate but at this point Im going to see this deal out to the end if just for my own piece of mind. At least maybe no one else will have to go thru this. |
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Definatly an odd duck. ATF did allow some AK sears registered into semi auto drilled guns, but would not consider the sears by themselves are transferable units since they were not drop in. The sears had to stay in the converted semi auto gun. Look at the form 4, protect yourself as you can, even at the good price if ATF changed it's mind on the legal status of the gun it's not a value. |
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