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Posted: 4/15/2003 11:19:19 PM EDT
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Has anybody used the forward mount on their scout? I been looking to buy a red dot scope for it just to try it out, but I don't want to go out and blow too much money on something that I might end up not liking. Do you guys have any tips or suggestions? The aimpoint scopes looks nice but that's a little more than I wanted to spend. I want to make sure my eyes are good for the forward mount set-up before I spend too much money. I'm also thinking of buying a smith third gen. mount so I can mount a regular scope on it. Anybody out there with a SCOUT SQUAD? |
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First, the better method of red dotting the scout is to use the Smith 3rd gen mount you were talking about...very solid, very high quality....if you have never put one on before read the instructions very carefully, they will get you through the process. I red dotted my Scout for fun with a cheapie TASCO pro point from wal mart...got it for about 90 bucks. I had used it successfully on one of my Ruger MKIIs for ages with no ill effects. After about one and one half magazines through the weapon in about two to three minutes the scope got so hot that some of the internal parts let loose and were flopping around inside the scope...that was the end of that scope. But that was the most fun two or three minutes I EVER had with that rifle. The point is that the scope mount ( which is right on the barrel nice and snug ) is a superb heat sink and it draws heat from just forward of the chamber area right into your optics...I cannot imagine any set of optics taking that kind of abuse for any real length of time. This is yet another example of Springfield's "bells, whistles and NO thought"......and I gotta tell ya, they got me good on that one....I bought into the Scout concept before I gave one second of thought as to how much heat was gonna get sucked up into the optics ( if I had desired them ). So, this is my bad. I just do without now....but if you really want them...get a Smith mount and do it that way....you'll love it. |
| I put a scout mount on a std fiberglass stocked M1A. I use a Aimpoint Comp ML. It is a blast to shoot. Heat has not been any kind of a problem. It is wicked fast to usa at short range. Zero at 50 yds gives you a good battle zero to 250-275 yds. You need to try it for yourself. |
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The bitch about the whole thing is that it IS a kick ass concept. As Gizzmo says it is WICKED FAST and he is NOT kidding...the Scout rifle with a good scope and mount is literally its own portable slaughter house...NO KIDDING.. BUT even with a great scope and mount I gotta wonder how long any optic will last given the amount of heat dumped into it. I propose that Gizzmo, in the interest of science, goes to the range this weekend with a couple of battle packs and shoots up a SERIOUS storm...then gets back to us on this.... what do ya think, Giz ???? 
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Desertmoon...YOU put a tasco reddot on a squad MIA, it selfdestructs you THINK because of heat, and it's Springfields no thought problem? Do you think that maybe SA HAS tested the forward mount for recoil/heat? Aimpoint CompML, 1998, fired fast and long enough to ignite paint on handguard. No loosening of mount screws, no loss of zero to 300 meters, no damage to Aimpoint. Gunsite Academy, Paulden AZ. You are right on one thing, it is a kick ass system. |
| Well you guys have given me second thoughts now. I was at the range again this weekend with it. I never run thru alot of ammo at one sitting, but I did run two mags thru as fast as I could get them off. The mount got very hot. The railgrabber ring was also quite hot. My Aimpoint did not feel hot, even close too the ring contact. I'm going to monitor it more, but it dosn't really seem to be a problem right now. I do like the scout set up on this rifle. And don't want to get rid of it yet. |
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Ballistik....the whole thing with the Tasco was as an experiment to see whether or not I liked the concept....I would NEVER use Tasco for anything "real world" but YOU are correct therefore I DO stand corrected....that isn't what we'd call a fair test because Tasco is low quality....HOWEVER I do stand by my thesis that the amount of heat dump can't be all that healthy!! But in fairness, I apologize for criticising Springfield on this issue. Now...I see that there are a few guys here with the real deal on their scouts and it (heat)hasn't been an issue...so for the time being please consider that I , again, admit to standing corrected......... for now ( hee hee ) |
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I don't think the heat is such an issue, if we're talking about Aimpoint Comp M2/ML2. I prefer the options afforded by the Smith/Brookfield style mount. You pull off the Aimpoint, throw on a magnified optic. The additional height is not as moch of an issue, when dealing with Aimpoints (you needn't have such a tight cheekweld)   
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Thank you. It has changed since it took the photo. The IOR has been replaced with a US Optics SN-3. The cammo stock is for sale (selector filled, all AlumahydeII) make an offer. The SUPER HEAVY DUTY PICATINNY ring is also for sale. It retails for $105. I'll sell it for $85.  |
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I asked a Navy SEAL who posts on another site about the "heat sink" issue after I read a post where he said he had used an issue M14 that was in Scout configuration. He said that the Scout mount had not ever gotten the Aimpoint hot enough to be a problem. He did mention however that a gas tube scout mount for an AK had gotten hot enough to cook an Aimpoint (however that was most likely due to full auto fire). I'm no operator, but I haven't been able to get the Aimpoint on my M1A Scout hot enough to cause a problem. JAW |
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