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Posted: 2/17/2011 5:46:48 AM EDT
Hey what do you guys use on your m1as show me your rig so i can get an idea what glass to put on mine also tell me your mount and if you need a cheek rest. thanks will be getting a scope this weekend 
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Kahles 6x fixed, German military surplus.
Amazing scope, extremely clear compared to even Leupolds, human range finding reticle thats extremely accurate, works wonders with a standard barrel and surplus German DAG 147 gr. rounds. I chose the fixed 6x power because its perfect for any range (im not a 1000 yard shooter), out to 400 yards I can still keep a 5 inch grouping with DAG. Not going to say thats amazing accuracy but what do you expect from a semi-auto standard model? Im extremely happy with it however. |
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Here's my setup:
It's a Zeiss Conquest 3x-9x X 50mm. I have it installed on a Bassett standard low mount. I needed to remove the rear sight to get the scope to fit. This setup can be a little tricky because you need to find the right height rings to get the scope directly over the bore. I had to shim the scope to bring it almost center but it's close enough. I see no windage shift out to 600yds. The objective lens is also so big that I had to file some fiberglass off the front handguard to keep it from touching. The benefit of this setup is that I don't really need a cheek rest to get a decent cheek weld. It's still very managable. I need a better set of rings though. The Bassett doesn't shoot loose and returns to zero every time I remove/install it. It removes in seconds and installs in seconds. It takes me about 3 minutes to install my iron sights and reset to known good zero. 
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2nd model I think. Used back in late vietnam and post vietnam IIRC. The scope has brackets for ranging and the mount has a cam tha is calibrated to match ammo. When you fail in the range it elevates the scope for the ballistics for the round.
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2nd model I think. Used back in late vietnam and post vietnam IIRC. The scope has brackets for ranging and the mount has a cam tha is calibrated to match ammo. When you fail in the range it elevates the scope for the ballistics for the round. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What is pictured is the ART-1, the ART-2 is very similar, the main difference being that you can zoom/and auto-range seperately with the ART2, and the reticles are different. The ART-1 had several versions/iterations and was used in the vietnam war and up through the gulf war. The ART-2 was introduced post vietnam war and fixes some of the issues with the ART-1 (mainly the mount system) and was also used up through the first gulf war I.e. with the ART-1 you increase your magnification until your target is subtended by the brackets so if you zoom up to 6x to range it then your target is at 600m. At the same time as you rotate the magnification ring its linked to a cam that elevates the rear of the scope which compensates for the bullet drop automatically, so its very quick to do. With the ART2 its the same sort of deal but instead of being stuck at 6x power at 600m you can disengage the magnification ring from the ranging cam and zoom up further to 9x (or whatever mag you want to use) This function sounds really useful in theory, in practice it sort of sucks doing that since you usually end up rotating the ranging cam a bit when you do it, so most of the time people don't use it except perhaps when you are zeroing or verifying your zero at longer range. At this point though the scopes are ridiculously expensive to buy ~1200-2000+ since they are collector pieces. Let me know if you want to know more. |
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2nd model I think. Used back in late vietnam and post vietnam IIRC. The scope has brackets for ranging and the mount has a cam tha is calibrated to match ammo. When you fail in the range it elevates the scope for the ballistics for the round. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What is pictured is the ART-1, the ART-2 is very similar, the main difference being that you can zoom/and auto-range seperately with the ART2, and the reticles are different. The ART-1 had several versions/iterations and was used in the vietnam war and up through the gulf war. The ART-2 was introduced post vietnam war and fixes some of the issues with the ART-1 (mainly the mount system) and was also used up through the first gulf war I.e. with the ART-1 you increase your magnification until your target is subtended by the brackets so if you zoom up to 6x to range it then your target is at 600m. At the same time as you rotate the magnification ring its linked to a cam that elevates the rear of the scope which compensates for the bullet drop automatically, so its very quick to do. With the ART2 its the same sort of deal but instead of being stuck at 6x power at 600m you can disengage the magnification ring from the ranging cam and zoom up further to 9x (or whatever mag you want to use) This function sounds really useful in theory, in practice it sort of sucks doing that since you usually end up rotating the ranging cam a bit when you do it, so most of the time people don't use it except perhaps when you are zeroing or verifying your zero at longer range. At this point though the scopes are ridiculously expensive to buy ~1200-2000+ since they are collector pieces. Let me know if you want to know more. you are correct on it being an ART-1, by second model I meant the other redfields that used the accurange system, but now thinking back, that was used only on bolt guns IIRC, I've had this rig since 84 or 85, scope is all original, with correct can, rifle has a real selector lock as well, I put that on it when I shot a coupleof high power matches(less scope) and never put the fun switch back on it, sscope holds it's zero , |
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2nd model I think. Used back in late vietnam and post vietnam IIRC. The scope has brackets for ranging and the mount has a cam tha is calibrated to match ammo. When you fail in the range it elevates the scope for the ballistics for the round. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What is pictured is the ART-1, the ART-2 is very similar, the main difference being that you can zoom/and auto-range seperately with the ART2, and the reticles are different. The ART-1 had several versions/iterations and was used in the vietnam war and up through the gulf war. The ART-2 was introduced post vietnam war and fixes some of the issues with the ART-1 (mainly the mount system) and was also used up through the first gulf war I.e. with the ART-1 you increase your magnification until your target is subtended by the brackets so if you zoom up to 6x to range it then your target is at 600m. At the same time as you rotate the magnification ring its linked to a cam that elevates the rear of the scope which compensates for the bullet drop automatically, so its very quick to do. With the ART2 its the same sort of deal but instead of being stuck at 6x power at 600m you can disengage the magnification ring from the ranging cam and zoom up further to 9x (or whatever mag you want to use) This function sounds really useful in theory, in practice it sort of sucks doing that since you usually end up rotating the ranging cam a bit when you do it, so most of the time people don't use it except perhaps when you are zeroing or verifying your zero at longer range. At this point though the scopes are ridiculously expensive to buy ~1200-2000+ since they are collector pieces. Let me know if you want to know more. you are correct on it being an ART-1, by second model I meant the other redfields that used the accurange system, but now thinking back, that was used only on bolt guns IIRC, I've had this rig since 84 or 85, scope is all original, with correct can, rifle has a real selector lock as well, I put that on it when I shot a coupleof high power matches(less scope) and never put the fun switch back on it, sscope holds it's zero , Actually you pointing out that it is the redfield variation of the art-1 is very useful, there are several variations of the ART-1 system, some used realist scopes, some used redfield and so forth. As for the "other redfields" with the accurange they used a similar idea with regard to ranging (increase mag until the target is subtended by two lines located above the X-hairs) and then read the internal tombstone to get an idea of the range. But the ones in military service (USMC) did nothing beyond estimating range, they did not have "turrets" and so forth, so you basically zeroed at one range (usually 600) and then held off for both windage and elevation as needed. It sort of worked, but the subseqent Unertl scope became the new gold standard with both the mil-dot system and exterior adjustable (and repeatable) turrets (a first in the US sniping history). |
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http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/eodjoel/IMG_0139.jpg
Crappy picture but you get the idea. |
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Quoted: Hey what do you guys use on your m1as show me your rig so i can get an idea what glass to put on mine also tell me your mount and if you need a cheek rest. thanks will be getting a scope this weekend Mine, with a Rooster33 cheekrest, a Trijicon TR22R in ARMS 30mm medium rings, on an old style ARMS 18 base.  |
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