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Posted: 7/13/2013 5:18:10 AM EDT
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Can anyone give me a link to the MSAR Site? Mine has died/expired.
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Thanks guys. I had something on my playbook listed as msar and tpd forums but cannot find it. It was the forums i was searching for! Maybe bullpupforums.com ? They have an MSAR section along with the other usual suspects (Steyr/AUG, FN, etc..) Not terribly active for the most part, the bullpup forum here is at least as active, IMO.. |
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Thanks guys. I had something on my playbook listed as msar and tpd forums but cannot find it. It was the forums i was searching for! This may have been USAAUG.com or some such. The board owner let the domain expire after he caught flack for never holding the AUG A3 drawing that was promised and refused to ever give a definitive answer why no one was ever told. |
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Since MSAR re-emerged has anyone gotten a new production rifle or barrel? They have been selling them as far as I know. I had a conversion done to my STG a few months or so ago by them. Also ordered a Tan E4 stock at that time of service. Fit is rock solid on lock up. I love the new E4 stock design. I am also on a pre order for the 300BLK barrel or the suppressed barrel (which ever comes out first). <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Greg3/media/MSAR%20E4/998C0B83-C894-4AB8-A01C-14B41C272177-16020-000010B48292CBBD_zps740df89b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/Greg3/MSAR%20E4/998C0B83-C894-4AB8-A01C-14B41C272177-16020-000010B48292CBBD_zps740df89b.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Greg3/media/MSAR%20E4/C4726E9E-FCD6-489C-9298-5123939BBE14-16020-000010B47C9EAC56_zps9717584a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/Greg3/MSAR%20E4/C4726E9E-FCD6-489C-9298-5123939BBE14-16020-000010B47C9EAC56_zps9717584a.jpg</a> Really? You're happy with that half-assed finished stock? That ridge that runs around the seams where the two sides are joined should have been milled down, not left to dig into your hand when you hold it. That isn't a feature, that's a failure. I had an old E4 and an STG stock and neither were ever unfinished like that, and no Steyr stock I've handled has ever been in that condition. That there is just plain pure laziness on MSAR's part. And for the record, I *had* a new E4 stock before I sent it back last week because of that issue. And no, I have not yet received any replacement magazines because I'm digging my heels in and not accepting cheap opaque mags when I sent in expensive translucents. |
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Really? You're happy with that half-assed finished stock? That ridge that runs around the seams where the two sides are joined should have been milled down, not left to dig into your hand when you hold it. That isn't a feature, that's a failure. I had an old E4 and an STG stock and neither were ever unfinished like that, and no Steyr stock I've handled has ever been in that condition. That there is just plain pure laziness on MSAR's part. And for the record, I *had* a new E4 stock before I sent it back last week because of that issue. And no, I have not yet received any replacement magazines because I'm digging my heels in and not accepting cheap opaque mags when I sent in expensive translucents. Actually, Yes. Yes I am very happy with the stock. I hit some of the seams with sandpaper and all it well. The seams never bothered me at the least. I agree it is more pronounced than on my STG stocks that I have now but not anything that really bothers me. |
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Well I, unlike some, am completely happy with MSAR. I purchased a used STG-556 off Gunbroker a few months ago which came with the original stock (black) which takes Aug mags and the E4 stock (green) which takes AR mags. I had called MSAR prior to the purchase (I had been following their history for some time), and wanted to know what kind of support I would receive if there were issues, because I was going to be trying this rifle at an upcoming shoot in Minnesota. I had spoken with Wendel and was assured if I had any issues, it would be taken care of. The gun arrived as presented off Gunbroker and I happily took it to the range that weekend with the E4 stock and some Pmags with a variety of ammo. I had 4 jams in 80 rounds. They were FTE, stacking problems on ejection. The bolt release also did not release when depressed and had to be "smacked" (or jarred loose) to release the bolt. On Monday I once again contacted Wendel at MSAR and explained what had occurred. He stated he was fairly certain what was happening and issued an RMA for the rifle. Rifle was sent in via UPS and I diligently watched my tracking info. to ensure they had received the rifle. MSAR had the rifle for 1 1/2 days when I received a phone call from Wendel stating the rifle had been repaired and was being shipped back. He stated they had changed the bolt, extractor, adjusted timing, etc. Total charge for the 2ND owner of this rifle - $0. Once the rifle had been received I once again took it to the range with a variety of ammo and magazines and it performed flawless. Since that time, I have taken it to SHTF3 at Ahmans gun range in Morristown MN, and numerous trips to the range and it has been trouble free ever since.
Last weekend we went to our local range and I had the opportunity to fire my friends FN FS2000 and his sons new production Steyr Aug. I am happy to say for various reasons I like my MSAR over both. The FS2000 shoots well, and I love the ejection out the front (very similar to my Keltec RFB), but the stock felt odd to me, and I don't really like the placement of the safety (although that is more of a training issue). The Steyr Aug obviously felt very similar, but I do like the texturing on the stock, the mag release, and the multiple rail option points of the MSAR better. The molding lines on my E4 stock must not be as pronounced as kfeltenberger, and do not cause me any issue. [URL=http://s152.photobucket.com/user/Trepid3/media/smsar_zps45da999a.jpg.html]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/Trepid3/smsar_zps45da999a.jpg Given that history with their product and their customer service, I would not hesistate to recommend them to anyone looking at the Aug style platform. |
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Thanks guys. I had something on my playbook listed as msar and tpd forums but cannot find it. It was the forums i was searching for! This may have been USAAUG.com or some such. The board owner let the domain expire after he caught flack for never holding the AUG A3 drawing that was promised and refused to ever give a definitive answer why no one was ever told. Exactly! On the upside I found the m14 forums which I have ill pass along to a buddy of mine. |
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Really? You're happy with that half-assed finished stock? That ridge that runs around the seams where the two sides are joined should have been milled down, not left to dig into your hand when you hold it. That isn't a feature, that's a failure. I had an old E4 and an STG stock and neither were ever unfinished like that, and no Steyr stock I've handled has ever been in that condition. That there is just plain pure laziness on MSAR's part. And for the record, I *had* a new E4 stock before I sent it back last week because of that issue. And no, I have not yet received any replacement magazines because I'm digging my heels in and not accepting cheap opaque mags when I sent in expensive translucents. Actually, Yes. Yes I am very happy with the stock. I hit some of the seams with sandpaper and all it well. The seams never bothered me at the least. I agree it is more pronounced than on my STG stocks that I have now but not anything that really bothers me. Wow. Are you guys paying their beyond insane/price of a cheap AR $600 or more for an MSAR stock? I'd considered picking up a new MSAR stock for my AUG vs the Steyr NATO, but at 2x the cost of the original, from a company building a clone - just can't do it. Resolve the quality issues and bring the price in line with the original, and they might have had another customer. |
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Might not be under warranty, but they did cover it. I'm guessing that they did not have to, but they chose to. Part of it may have been my approach, part may be they are rebuilding trust in the firearms community. Either way, it worked to my benefit and I will give them all the credit in the world for a job well done. I have a Smith & Wesson 945 Performance Center which went in for some work and they did the same thing. I was the 2nd owner and they covered that one under warranty as well. Both situations have given me respect for both companies. It is a tough industry and dealing with the public can be trying at times.
I can say that after putting in a K&M Lightening trigger in it, the MSAR has gone to the range with me more than my AR. Trigger pull is now at 4.5 pounds, limited creep and great feel. I know MSAR patterned the STG-E4 off the original Aug, but I do like some of the changes they made better than the actual Steyr being produced now (as listed in an above post). I'm sure customer service can vary depending on whom you are dealing with when. Unfortunately, people are people and not all days go great. All I can comment on thus far is my recent experiences in contacting them and the positive experience it was for me. If that would change down the road, I would like to think I would give a fair assessment of that as well. PS: Thank you for reminding me. People tend to post negative comments when things don't go right, but not many do when things go well. I am going to send an email to MSAR / Wendel thanking them for the great job they did. |
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Really? You're happy with that half-assed finished stock? That ridge that runs around the seams where the two sides are joined should have been milled down, not left to dig into your hand when you hold it. That isn't a feature, that's a failure. I had an old E4 and an STG stock and neither were ever unfinished like that, and no Steyr stock I've handled has ever been in that condition. That there is just plain pure laziness on MSAR's part. And for the record, I *had* a new E4 stock before I sent it back last week because of that issue. And no, I have not yet received any replacement magazines because I'm digging my heels in and not accepting cheap opaque mags when I sent in expensive translucents. Actually, Yes. Yes I am very happy with the stock. I hit some of the seams with sandpaper and all it well. The seams never bothered me at the least. I agree it is more pronounced than on my STG stocks that I have now but not anything that really bothers me. So you're happy with something you bought as new and then had to fix and finish? Something that cost $500+? I guess I want a little more out of products that are passed off as new. Not one of my MSAR stocks from 2009/2010 had this issue, nor does my Steyr A3 stock...so if they did it prior, why aren't they doing it now? |
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Really? You're happy with that half-assed finished stock? That ridge that runs around the seams where the two sides are joined should have been milled down, not left to dig into your hand when you hold it. That isn't a feature, that's a failure. I had an old E4 and an STG stock and neither were ever unfinished like that, and no Steyr stock I've handled has ever been in that condition. That there is just plain pure laziness on MSAR's part. And for the record, I *had* a new E4 stock before I sent it back last week because of that issue. And no, I have not yet received any replacement magazines because I'm digging my heels in and not accepting cheap opaque mags when I sent in expensive translucents. Actually, Yes. Yes I am very happy with the stock. I hit some of the seams with sandpaper and all it well. The seams never bothered me at the least. I agree it is more pronounced than on my STG stocks that I have now but not anything that really bothers me. I didn't pay a cent...this time around. No, I "paid" for this when I bought 50 XM-30 mags in 2009 to add to the five that came with my E4 that were all sent back as being defective. Those same 55 mags that were never replaced. I offered MSAR a deal to substitute some of the mags they owed me for a new E4 stock. What I received was a half finished reject from a HS plastic shop. Wow. Are you guys paying their beyond insane/price of a cheap AR $600 or more for an MSAR stock? I'd considered picking up a new MSAR stock for my AUG vs the Steyr NATO, but at 2x the cost of the original, from a company building a clone - just can't do it. Resolve the quality issues and bring the price in line with the original, and they might have had another customer. |
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