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Posted: 5/21/2007 6:46:58 AM EDT
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Anyone seen the Mag-Pul PDR556 PDW on DefenseReview.com? Know anything about it? I know it's not specifically AR-related, but given the history of Mag-Pul sweetness here, I thought it not entirely inappropriate. 
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It is pretty slick. Just a 20 round mag though? P90 gets a 50 in the same profile. Does not look ambi either. If you switch to left hand it would eject into your mounth no? I know it will take 30s but its still short on ammo compared to the P90 and will be larger. However this thing will run 10-12 inch 5.56 barrels (I am assuming that is a 10.5" shown) and with match ammo it would far outperform the P90. You could get fragmentation beyond 100 yards with MK262 and 11.5" barrel length. This thing is going to be LOUD though. Would hate to light off a 10.5" version without a can with the end of the barrel that close to my ear.  Final note is the thumb forward left hand hold looks like it would be precarious on the complete version. The traditional PDW handled version looks WAY more comfortable.        |
Did you look at the pics you posted, cause it's obviously completely ambi. The P90 achives 50 rounds by using an extremely small cartidge. This gun is the same size with a proven round that is IN USE NOW. Making it much more likey to be adopted. Besides, our ENTIRE armed forces uses 30rnd mags, so whats the problem? Forces are already using short barrels in the 10-13 inch range. Since this is also aimed much more at the .mil, a small can could come with it anyway, theres already something on the gun anyway. Really, I don't think the guys at Magpul suck at designing stuff, defiantly no where near as much as you would think based on your post. |
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The thing is that the 5.56x45 has below the ideal velocity with most AR barrels of 10.5" length. The polygonal barrel will increase velocity which could take care of that though. The flash suppressor is going to have to be awesome though, because otherwise it is going to sound like a cannon and light up like a damn flame thrower. The flash suppressor looks like it has been designed to handle that though. The cracks are just from the "mock-up" it is not a full finished polymer firearm yet. It may ambi in the same way that an AUG is ambi in that you can switch it from right to left handed given some time to swap out parts. It will not be ambi in the way that the P-90 is with downward ejection. HOWEVER, I have been saying for a long time now that weak hand transitions are a dumb idea unless your right arm is injured, which leads me to my next point. The recoil on this thing could be pretty crazy. The defense review points that out and made some great suggestions as to how to mitigate that though. They need to make so if you had to you could fire it one handed. As a bullpup it should be well balanced enough to fire one handed as long as the recoil isn't nuts. |
Ok, that's undstandable, but a "mock-up" should look the part of a real weapon. Much like "mock-up" vehicles at the Detroit Car Show. They should give you something to look forward to.
Transition to weak side is taught in USMC boot, not only for an injury to the strong side, but to pie corners. If you're right/strong side, you can easily pie to the left, when trying to clear your right side, you NEED to transition the weapon to your left/weak side to minimize the exposure of your body. Hardwarz |
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I think that was at one point a firing weapon. Notice the crap in the compensator that I get in my flash hiders after extended firing. I think the story was, it was crushed while en route to the SHOT show, and they glued it back together to give people an idea. magpul guys - hire more people, buy more space, cut lunch breaks, do whatever it takes. I need one of these, a masada, and a ubr before 2008! I've even held off on the FN2000 and other goodies, specifically to keep the funds in reserve! 
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I like it. I declare any proposed AWB a threat to national security as it stifles innovation like this. Even with a 16" barrel this would be a very handy rifle. Definately looks like a Levang flash suppressor. I'm guessing the cracks are because the prototype was made using stereo lithography. The type of stereo lithography my company has uses a UV hardening resin that is very brittle and breaks if you look at it funny. Kudos Magpul! |
USMC isn't teaching weak side transitions any more. They were, but they've stopped doing that according to my brother-in-law who just went through Basic last summer. |
They did in the early 90's when I went through. How do you pie a corner then without over exposure? Hell, when I taught CQB, you had to transition. Hardwarz |
Did YOU look at the pics I posted? Like I said it is not completely ambi as it is side ejecting with ports on both sides and no brass defelctor. You must select either right hand or left hand and it cant be used as either or without disassembly. It is like the Aug. As far as the barrel length and noise I already have a SBR with can and while that is great I would not want to be that close to an unsuppressed versions barrel. A suppressor makes the weapon larger and it does not fit into the same size that this weapon was envisioned to fit. A 30 round mag makes the weapon larger as well. A P90 is only as loud as an M4 when unsuppressed and will not have the blast or recoil of this weapon. Would I prefer to own this Magpul weapon over a P90? Sure. It still has its drawbacks which are valid and I simply pointed out. I never implied Mapgpul sucked at desiging anything. I have been buying products that were designed by Magpul before you probably even heard of the company. |
The ejection port is not inline with the mag. It has some type of chute like the F2000. |
I was a mout instructor in 2006 and we most certianly do teach strong side transitions. You change which hand you are shooting with constantly in an urban enviroment. Cool gun though, I want one! 
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