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Posted: 5/3/2012 8:24:42 AM EDT
| I want to get some work done on my AR`s, and they need to be shipped. I normally go thru a gunshop, but I`ve heard we can ship directly thru the Post Office. What`s the deal? |
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The upper is not a firearm, so if it's just that, you can ship it without issues.
If you're shipping the lower, it is a firearm, and needs some consideration. A private citizen can send a rifle by USPS, so if you have a rifle style AR, you can use the PO. If it's a pistol style AR lower, you have to use a private (USP, Fed EX, etc) carrier. If you're sending them back to the orignal manufacture (Cold, Bushmaster, LWRC, etc) you don't need anything else. If you're sending it to someone else, you need to "know" they have a FFL. I'm having this issue with a smith - he's saying I don't need to have a copy of his FFL, since he has one. Just to be 100% sure I want, and would recommend to you, you get a copy of the smith's FFL, and I'd include one in the shipping box for total legal coverage. Be prepared for the people at the PO to tell you they can't do it. You can. Get a manager to help you if you have issues, or have them get their shipping manual. You'll have to declare it as a firearm prior to shipping. |
| Only long guns can be shipped via USPS and only to an FFL holder, if its out of state. In PA we can ship a long gun to a non FFL within state borders. I don't know about other states though. Call the Post Office, if you get someone competent on the phone they can advise. |
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Only long guns can be shipped via USPS and only to an FFL holder, if its out of state. In PA we can ship a long gun to a non FFL within state borders. I don't know about other states though. Call the Post Office, if you get someone competent on the phone they can advise. A person can ship a long gun USPS to someone else intrastate w/o going through an FFL. A person can ship a long gun USPS to themselves interstate (ie: like for a hunting trip) w/o going through an FFL. A person can ship a long gun USPS to someone else interstate if it's shipped to an FFL. A handgun can be shipped USPS if it goes through an FFL on both ends. USPS requires that you fill out an affidavit affirming that what you're doing is legal (basically write down the the names/addresses of both sender & recipient and your signature). Firearm doesn't have to be disassembled but no live ammo is allowed under any circumstances (not illegal, per se, USPS just chooses not to ship live ammo). There should be nothing on the box indicating there could be a firearm enclosed. Tomac |
| i would never declare the contents to USPS if i was doing something legal, which of course is all i would do. it is the same as sticking a giant "steal me" sticker on the box... it is also asking for problems at the post office when some stupid .fed employe decides he/she knows more than they do... |
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I want to get some work done on my AR`s, and they need to be shipped. I normally go thru a gunshop, but I`ve heard we can ship directly thru the Post Office. What`s the deal? <––––FFL How to ship firearms: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=651375 Quoted:
...... I'm having this issue with a smith - he's saying I don't need to have a copy of his FFL, since he has one. Just to be 100% sure I want, and would recommend to you, you get a copy of the smith's FFL, and I'd include one in the shipping box for total legal coverage. He's right, you don't need a copy of his FFL unless you are also a licensee. All federal law requires you to do is ship to a licensee (FFL). Your gunsmith can either provide you with a copy of his FFL or he can give you the first three and last five numbers on his FFL.........you can then verify on the ATF "FFLeZcheck" here: https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/ Be prepared for the people at the PO to tell you they can't do it. You can. Get a manager to help you if you have issues, or have them get their shipping manual. You'll have to declare it as a firearm prior to shipping.
True. Often the USPS clerks are unfamiliar with USPS regulations regarding firearms. False. The ONLY time you must declare that the shipment contains a firearm is if you are a licensed dealer mailing a firearm OTHER THAN a rifle or shotgun (handguns, frames, AR lowers, receivers, PGO shotguns). No notification is required when shipping a rifle or shotgun. If you are asked to fillout a USPS Form 1508 "Statement of a Shipper of Firearms" DO NOT DO SO unless you are a licensed dealer........if you are a mere mortal and not an FFL you are committing perjury (the Form 1508 is used only by a dealer). Quoted:
Only long guns can be shipped via USPS and only to an FFL holder, if its out of state... Dealers and manufacturers can mail handguns, frames, AR lowers, etc.............nonlicensees cannot. Often it is faaaar cheaper to have your local dealer mail a handgun for you instead of you using UPS or FedEx. Quoted:
....USPS requires that you fill out an affidavit affirming that what you're doing is legal (basically write down the the names/addresses of both sender & recipient and your signature). Nope. No such affadavit for Joe Public, only dealers and manufacturers and then only when shipping firearms other than rifles or shotguns. If your local post office is having you submit such a statement they are inventing their own regulations (happens quite often) Firearm doesn't have to be disassembled but no live ammo is allowed under any circumstances (not illegal, per se, USPS just chooses not to ship live ammo)....
Nope. It most definitely IS ILLEGAL to ship ammunition via USPS. Federal law requires that ammunition be shipped GROUND and properly labled "ORM-D". In addition it is a violation of Federal law to include ammunition with a firearm. (so if you throw in a box of ammo with the gun you sold on the EE and ship via ANY carrier (USPS, UPS or FedEx) you violate Federal law.) Quoted:
i would never declare the contents to USPS if i was doing something legal, which of course is all i would do. it is the same as sticking a giant "steal me" sticker on the box... it is also asking for problems at the post office when some stupid .fed employe decides he/she knows more than they do... This. |
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i would never declare the contents to USPS if i was doing something legal, which of course is all i would do. it is the same as sticking a giant "steal me" sticker on the box... it is also asking for problems at the post office when some stupid .fed employe decides he/she knows more than they do... And you'll be in violation of Federal law IF YOU SHIP VIA UPS OR FED-EX.. Federal law REQUIRES that you inform a shipper that you're shipping a firearm. If you're shipping the non-serial number parts of a firearm you don't need to do this. The Federal Law: ATF SHIPPING LAW A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30] This is also why it's totally stupid to lie to a shipper and tell them the package contains something other than a firearm. Some people have the bright idea to lie to the shipper and tell them the box contains "tools" or "machine parts" in order to save shipping costs. Not only have you violated a Federal Law, you've broken the legal contract with the shipper. If the gun is lost, stolen, or damaged, they'll pay you NOTHING since you broke the legally binding contract that you signed when you signed the shipping document. |
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i would never declare the contents to USPS if i was doing something legal, which of course is all i would do. it is the same as sticking a giant "steal me" sticker on the box... it is also asking for problems at the post office when some stupid .fed employe decides he/she knows more than they do... And you'll be in violation of Federal law IF YOU SHIP VIA UPS OR FED-EX.. Federal law REQUIRES that you inform a shipper that you're shipping a firearm. If you're shipping the non-serial number parts of a firearm you don't need to do this. The Federal Law: ATF SHIPPING LAW A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30] This is also why it's totally stupid to lie to a shipper and tell them the package contains something other than a firearm. Some people have the bright idea to lie to the shipper and tell them the box contains "tools" or "machine parts" in order to save shipping costs. Not only have you violated a Federal Law, you've broken the legal contract with the shipper. If the gun is lost, stolen, or damaged, they'll pay you NOTHING since you broke the legally binding contract that you signed when you signed the shipping document. Nope. That paragraph is from the ATF FAQ's...........and its wrong. Read the actual citations to the CFR and see ATF's letter below. The only time Federal law requires notification to a common carrier is when you are shipping interstate to someone OTHER THAN a licensed dealer, manufacturer, importer or collector. And as shipping interstate to a nonlicensee is itself a Federal crime, you are giving the common carrier written notice of your violation. 
Both UPS and FedEx shipping tariffs (policies) require notification as well as certain levels of service when shipping firearms. Failing to follow their policies means that you will not collect on a claim for damage, loss, theft, etc. 
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