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Quoted: Has anyone really put a Xeno mount can through the paces or taken a carbine course with it? I have an M4-2000 that's been converted to Xeno mount. First time I tried mounting the can to the muzzle device, the Xeno mount on the suppressor came loose. I understand once it's mounted, the benefit is you won't loosen your muzzle device trying to remove the can (reverse threaded). But now I have to worry about the adapter mount itself....not the muzzle device. Seemed to replace one problem with another. I've since used Rocksett on the Xeno adapter to suppressor. Just curious if the threaded taper mount will hold up to long and fast strings of fire without backing off the muzzle device any. View Quote this is the only issue with the reverse threads. somewhere along the line it will fight itself and something will loosen up. in this case its the mount that goes into the can. i had this issue when i first installed this system on a 224 bore MG7. the secret is getting the mount tighter than you will ever (hand tighten) the can to the host. once you do this it shouldnt ever loosen. its all smooth sailing for me now. on another note, any new muzzle devices? i talked to SS yesterday for a special order i had to place for work, and they told me DA is extremely backed up. any 3rd party stuff coming out? |
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Quoted: this is the only issue with the reverse threads. somewhere along the line it will fight itself and something will loosen up. in this case its the mount that goes into the can. i had this issue when i first installed this system on a 224 bore MG7. the secret is getting the mount tighter than you will ever (hand tighten) the can to the host. once you do this it shouldnt ever loosen. its all smooth sailing for me now. on another note, any new muzzle devices? i talked to SS yesterday for a special order i had to place for work, and they told me DA is extremely backed up. any 3rd party stuff coming out? View Quote Yeah, I jacked my Xenos onto my cans with a few zips of the 1/4" impact and haven't had any issues with them parting. |
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Quoted: on another note, any new muzzle devices? i talked to SS yesterday for a special order i had to place for work, and they told me DA is extremely backed up. any 3rd party stuff coming out? View Quote I've been using the FCD 6315XE since I got Xeno for my Nomad, been a good device. Haven't seen any other options yet |
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Quoted: I have an M4-2000 that's been converted to Xeno mount. First time I tried mounting the can to the muzzle device, the Xeno mount on the suppressor came loose. I understand once it's mounted, the benefit is you won't loosen your muzzle device trying to remove the can (reverse threaded). But now I have to worry about the adapter mount itself....not the muzzle device. Seemed to replace one problem with another. I've since used Rocksett on the Xeno adapter to suppressor. Just curious if the threaded taper mount will hold up to long and fast strings of fire without backing off the muzzle device any. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I have an M4-2000 that's been converted to Xeno mount. First time I tried mounting the can to the muzzle device, the Xeno mount on the suppressor came loose. I understand once it's mounted, the benefit is you won't loosen your muzzle device trying to remove the can (reverse threaded). But now I have to worry about the adapter mount itself....not the muzzle device. Seemed to replace one problem with another. I've since used Rocksett on the Xeno adapter to suppressor. Just curious if the threaded taper mount will hold up to long and fast strings of fire without backing off the muzzle device any. Quoted: this is the only issue with the reverse threads. somewhere along the line it will fight itself and something will loosen up. in this case its the mount that goes into the can. i had this issue when i first installed this system on a 224 bore MG7. the secret is getting the mount tighter than you will ever (hand tighten) the can to the host. once you do this it shouldnt ever loosen. its all smooth sailing for me now. That's kind of the point of reverse threads on the muzzle device. When you screw the can onto the rifle, if your HUB adapter comes loose, you didn't have it on the suppressor tight enough in the first place. Now you know that, rather than not knowing and having a baffle strike. If the HUB adapter was going to come loose from a suppressor that you screwed hand tight on a reverse thread, it would have probably eventually come loose with a regular thread too after heat cycling. Also when you remove the suppressor from the rifle (which will require more force than screwing it on, especially if it's carboned up), you will be tightening your mount to the suppressor and muzzle device to the barrel instead of removing the muzzle device with your suppressor or leaving your HUB adapter attached to the rifle. |
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Quoted: Crickets from DA here, doesn't sound like 9/16x24 is imminent. I considered trying to find someone to cut a 1/2x28 Xero to 9/16x24, but probably not cost effective vs using an adapter. Does anyone know of an aftermarket company making Xeno compatible muzzle devices that might be able to branch out on thread pitches a little more? I thought there were a few companies planning to start making Xeno compatible muzzle devices a while back, but haven't heard anything else in a while. View Quote Todd Mac has been saying "more are coming" for what feels like years now, and how long has the primal been out? Yet they have nothing to offer in big bore Xenos still. I'm about ready to give up hope, and settle on some rearden plan b stuff. But I think they don't even make a 3/4 x 24 that I need |
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Is there a longer xeno flash hider that will get a 14.3” barrel to 16” p/w?
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Quoted: Todd Mac has been saying "more are coming" for what feels like years now, and how long has the primal been out? Yet they have nothing to offer in big bore Xenos still. I'm about ready to give up hope, and settle on some rearden plan b stuff. But I think they don't even make a 3/4 x 24 that I need View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Todd Mac has been saying "more are coming" for what feels like years now, and how long has the primal been out? Yet they have nothing to offer in big bore Xenos still. I'm about ready to give up hope, and settle on some rearden plan b stuff. But I think they don't even make a 3/4 x 24 that I need While big threaded stuff like 3/4-24 haven't been released yet, we did launch the Xeno Xero series and the Wee Brakes. There's even a M13.5x1LH Sig Taper for those with MPXs. Quoted: Is there a longer xeno flash hider that will get a 14.3” barrel to 16” p/w? Xeno is designed to be relatively compact and not reach all the way to blast baffles so as to minimize heavy use damage. The A1 flash hider is really close when it comes to getting 14.5" to 16" --BUT-- it always depends on how long your threads are. You'll need a spacer to get it to 16" as you go shorter. |
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Right now, the DA455 Xeno HUB adapter is out of stock everywhere, but I found one of the LMT Xeno mount adapters in stock at Modern Warriors.
https://modernwarriors.com/product/lmt-advanced-technologies-regulator-mount-adapter-1.375x24mm-xeno-compatible-black Getting it in hand and comparing it to the DA455, I'm surprised it does not really save that much length. Maybe 1/8" Both adapters aligned at the bottom of the Xeno Flash hider. Both adapters aligned at were the back of the suppressor would be. |
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Quoted: Right now, the DA455 Xeno HUB adapter is out of stock everywhere, but I found one of the LMT Xeno mount adapters in stock at Modern Warriors. https://modernwarriors.com/product/lmt-advanced-technologies-regulator-mount-adapter-1.375x24mm-xeno-compatible-black Getting it in hand and comparing it to the DA455, I'm surprised it does not really save that much length. Maybe 1/8" Both adapters aligned at the bottom of the Xeno Flash hider. https://i.imgur.com/5itrEX1.jpg Both adapters aligned at were the back of the suppressor would be. https://i.imgur.com/M6QJx6Y.jpg View Quote What’s the weigh savings? |
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Quoted: Oh yeah, I forgot to include that. My scale shows the DA455 as 1 7/8 oz (56 grams). The LMT is 1 3/4 oz (50 grams). Not a huge weight savings, less than 1/4 oz. View Quote neat thanks for sharing this info. Do you know if you can use a socket on the LMT like you can with the DA455? |
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Quoted: neat thanks for sharing this info. Do you know if you can use a socket on the LMT like you can with the DA455? View Quote I don't have an open end wrench that big, but a crescent wrench adjusted to the same size fits both. Again, just a tiny bit looser on the Xeno. |
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@Mageever
Any updates on new xeno muzzle devices? Would ideally like some ported brakes for both hard use short and precision long rifles. |
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Hoping we some more Xeno muzzle brake designs soon. Or at least a hybrid / comp.
FCD has a Xeno brake now but I’m not too wild about the design. |
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Quoted: Hoping we some more Xeno muzzle brake designs soon. Or at least a hybrid / comp. FCD has a Xeno brake now but I’m not too wild about the design. View Quote Oh whaaaaat. That's rad. Im sure forward controls made it for suppressed use (it talks about it in the description). Link: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/1215XE-Xeno_p_494.html Shoutout to forward controls for releasing new xeno muzzle devices. I also dig their flash hider. |
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Quoted: Oh whaaaaat. That's rad. Im sure forward controls made it for suppressed use (it talks about it in the description). Link: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/1215XE-Xeno_p_494.html Shoutout to forward controls for releasing new xeno muzzle devices. I also dig their flash hider. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hoping we some more Xeno muzzle brake designs soon. Or at least a hybrid / comp. FCD has a Xeno brake now but I'm not too wild about the design. Oh whaaaaat. That's rad. Im sure forward controls made it for suppressed use (it talks about it in the description). Link: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/1215XE-Xeno_p_494.html Shoutout to forward controls for releasing new xeno muzzle devices. I also dig their flash hider. |
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Quoted: @Mageever Any updates on new xeno muzzle devices? Would ideally like some ported brakes for both hard use short and precision long rifles. View Quote I've personally checked out the first articles on these coming off the machines and they're super nice. Buy the Forward Controls stuff with confidence. We have another one in production that will be coming out soon that will be more for the hard-use SBR crowd that improves on the actually-does-quite-well flash performance of the A1 style flash hider. That's all I can say about that one. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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hell yes. glad to see xeno getting some traction!!
now lets bother jmac into making some xeno stuff as well! |
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Thanks for the update Todd! Looking forward to seeing what transpires.
I know I been on to you, but can't hurt to say it again- let's see a Xeno mount for the Saker series! |
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Quoted: We have another one in production that will be coming out soon that will be more for the hard-use SBR crowd that improves on the actually-does-quite-well flash performance of the A1 style flash hider. That's all I can say about that one. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering View Quote What was wrong with the original A1 style flash hider on SBRs? What problem are you trying to solve with this new one? Is it just unsuppresssed muzzle flash that you are trying to improve on? |
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Quoted: @Mageever What was wrong with the original A1 style flash hider on SBRs? What problem are you trying to solve with this new one? Is it just unsuppresssed muzzle flash that you are trying to improve on? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: @Mageever What was wrong with the original A1 style flash hider on SBRs? What problem are you trying to solve with this new one? Is it just unsuppresssed muzzle flash that you are trying to improve on? I can't say more than it's more "optimized". Quoted: Perhaps, but for a heavy use SBR, open tines will be hell on your blast baffle. Unless some design thought went into the adapter/muzzle device fitup so there's still room for gas expansion. This was a top level goal for Xeno after seeing what other thread-to-taper systems were doing. |
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Quoted: I can't say more than it's more "optimized". Unless some design thought went into the adapter/muzzle device fitup so there's still room for gas expansion. This was a top level goal for Xeno after seeing what other thread-to-taper systems were doing. View Quote I will say, I really love Xeno. I want to put it on all the things. I'm still holding on to hope for the A1 FS in 14x1LH and 1/2x36 threads so I can do so. I can currently use Griffin Plan A taper for these in the mean time, but I'd much, much rather use Xeno, especially with the A1 FS. |
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Quoted: I've personally checked out the first articles on these coming off the machines and they're super nice. Buy the Forward Controls stuff with confidence. We have another one in production that will be coming out soon that will be more for the hard-use SBR crowd that improves on the actually-does-quite-well flash performance of the A1 style flash hider. That's all I can say about that one. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: @Mageever Any updates on new xeno muzzle devices? Would ideally like some ported brakes for both hard use short and precision long rifles. I've personally checked out the first articles on these coming off the machines and they're super nice. Buy the Forward Controls stuff with confidence. We have another one in production that will be coming out soon that will be more for the hard-use SBR crowd that improves on the actually-does-quite-well flash performance of the A1 style flash hider. That's all I can say about that one. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering Any xeno ak mounts in the works? |
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Quoted: I can't say more than it's more "optimized". Unless some design thought went into the adapter/muzzle device fitup so there's still room for gas expansion. This was a top level goal for Xeno after seeing what other thread-to-taper systems were doing. View Quote Any news on getting a 9/16x24 Xero for folks chopping and threading lightweight hunting rifles? |
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Quoted: Any news on getting a 9/16x24 Xero for folks chopping and threading lightweight hunting rifles? View Quote Is 1/2x28 not workable? I did my Xbolt 3006 in 1/2x28 Attached File |
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What do you guys think about the DA124 Xeno Brake with 308?
Is it super loud to the shooter? Is it mitigating recoil effectively? I just ordered a Tavor 7 bullpup with a 16" barrel so that muzzle will be fairly close my face (like an SBR). I'm trying to decide whether to buy the Brake or Flash Suppressor for this. I plan to shoot it suppressed a lot, but not exclusively. |
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Quoted: What do you guys think about the DA124 Xeno Brake with 308? Is it super loud to the shooter? Is it mitigating recoil effectively? I just ordered a Tavor 7 bullpup with a 16" barrel so that muzzle will be fairly close my face (like an SBR). I'm trying to decide whether to buy the Brake or Flash Suppressor for this. I plan to shoot it suppressed a lot, but not exclusively. View Quote I can promise that any sort of brake or comp will be unpleasant on something like that. Even on a 16” AR10, I don’t enjoy shooting a brake anywhere near something that reflects, like a cover. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: @Mageever Any updates on new xeno muzzle devices? Would ideally like some ported brakes for both hard use short and precision long rifles. I've personally checked out the first articles on these coming off the machines and they're super nice. Buy the Forward Controls stuff with confidence. We have another one in production that will be coming out soon that will be more for the hard-use SBR crowd that improves on the actually-does-quite-well flash performance of the A1 style flash hider. That's all I can say about that one. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering Any xeno ak mounts in the works? |
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Quoted: I can promise that any sort of brake or comp will be unpleasant on something like that. Even on a 16" AR10, I don't enjoy shooting a brake anywhere near something that reflects, like a cover. View Quote Maybe the DA122 A1 FH is the way to go with this. |
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The Xeno brake is flat out obnoxious on any rifle.
I've got one on a 10.5 556 and one on a 12.5 308. If you like a flash bang going off in front of your face every time you pull the trigger, it's the muzzle device for you. I run them on short SBR's for the whole sacrificial baffle thing. I'd never run them on a gun that was primarily unsuppressed. |
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Quoted: The Xeno brake is flat out obnoxious on any rifle. I've got one on a 10.5 556 and one on a 12.5 308. If you like a flash bang going off in front of your face every time you pull the trigger, it's the muzzle device for you. I run them on short SBR's for the whole sacrificial baffle thing. I'd never run them on a gun that was primarily unsuppressed. View Quote Yeah that's the only reason I got them. It was probably not necessary on my 16" 308 though, and I'm eagerly awaiting the new aforementioned flash suppressor. |
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Quoted: The Xeno brake is flat out obnoxious on any rifle. I've got one on a 10.5 556 and one on a 12.5 308. If you like a flash bang going off in front of your face every time you pull the trigger, it's the muzzle device for you. I run them on short SBR's for the whole sacrificial baffle thing. I'd never run them on a gun that was primarily unsuppressed. View Quote Yep, I just shot my PWS MK111 Pro with a Xeno brake today and it was as you described, especially under a low hanging corrugated steel roof. I threw the gas knob back from 1 to 3 and threw my can back on quick, fast, and in a hurry. |
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Quoted: I run them on short SBR's for the whole sacrificial baffle thing. I'd never run them on a gun that was primarily unsuppressed. View Quote Maybe the Xeno A1 FH won't be that bad on the blast baffle. |
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Quoted: Is 1/2x28 not workable? I did my Xbolt 3006 in 1/2x28 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184182/14F5A151-E13F-4AE3-811F-DF502E2E8FAD_jpe-2814921.JPG View Quote I have/had 1/2x28 threads on my Kimbers in 6.5 CM and .280 AI, and they are fine. I would prefer to use larger threads on barrels where they will fit though, and 9/16x24 is a nice goldilocks size for a lot of hunting weight barrels, more meat between the thread root and groove than 1/2x28 for .30 cals. My most recent threaded hunting rifle is a 300 WSM Tikka 9/16x24 fits the purpose well, but since there's no Xero in this thread I'm adapting up to 5/8x24.... Not the end of the world, but I'd rather not have to use adapters. Here's the latest 18" Tikka 300 WSM w/ adapter, Nomad TI has held up well to the ~90 rounds through up thus far. |
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I’ve got one for you experts, comparing the Xeno brake to the BattleComp (2.0 or others)….
1) Is there much difference in sound / felt concussion? 2) Any noticeable difference in felt recoil? Looking at the two designs, I’m most curious which one would do a better job at taming recoil, WITHOUT a suppressor. |
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Looks like the Forward Control Designs Brakes are out. I just ordered a 1/2 x 28 version.
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Any in stock da457? Been looking for a while. Fits the p series suppressors
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Quoted: Looks like the Forward Control Designs Brakes are out. I just ordered a 1/2 x 28 version. View Quote I think you will like it. I ran one on a Hodge 11.5 with a Dead Air Sierra 5 last night. For those worried about every ounce, this won't be for you as it is built like a tank, but I'm digging so far. |
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im not sure how tagging works, but ill give it a shot
@Mageever when are DA455s going to be back in stock? it looks like i can get the lmt xeno mount for my S5, but its slightly different in terms of measurement. im sure it will work with the S5, but id prefer the mount it was spec'd with. |
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Quoted: Right now, the DA455 Xeno HUB adapter is out of stock everywhere, but I found one of the LMT Xeno mount adapters in stock at Modern Warriors. https://modernwarriors.com/product/lmt-advanced-technologies-regulator-mount-adapter-1.375x24mm-xeno-compatible-black Getting it in hand and comparing it to the DA455, I'm surprised it does not really save that much length. Maybe 1/8" Both adapters aligned at the bottom of the Xeno Flash hider. https://i.imgur.com/5itrEX1.jpg Both adapters aligned at were the back of the suppressor would be. https://i.imgur.com/M6QJx6Y.jpg View Quote @dmk0210 Thank you for the link(s). In the interest of the Xeno topic and not cluttering the Sierra 5 thread; am I correct to assume the LMT Xeno adapter provides a shorter oal when mounted compared to the DA version? I had originally thought they were dimensionally the same sans the LMT version having more of a traditional hex at the rear. |
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Quoted: @dmk0210 Thank you for the link(s). In the interest of the Xeno topic and not cluttering the Sierra 5 thread; am I correct to assume the LMT Xeno adapter provides a shorter oal when mounted compared to the DA version? I had originally thought they were dimensionally the same sans the LMT version having more of a traditional hex at the rear. View Quote Yes, a very slightly shorter OAL with a DA flash hider or brake. Maybe 1/8". Not enough to really matter. |
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Quoted: You're welcome! Yes, a very slightly shorter OAL with a DA flash hider or brake. Maybe 1/8". Not enough to really matter. View Quote So is it safe to assume that shorter OAL comes at the cost of baffle baffle to muzzle device spacing? That is what I'm worried about and trying to avoid. |
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Quoted: im not sure how tagging works, but ill give it a shot @Mageever when are DA455s going to be back in stock? it looks like i can get the lmt xeno mount for my S5, but its slightly different in terms of measurement. im sure it will work with the S5, but id prefer the mount it was spec'd with. View Quote I'm not really tracking accessory shipments right now, but I have heard there are some on the way. They'll sell fast, though. Make sure you're on a wait list with a major dealer. If you have a LGS you support, then have your guy watching RSR. |
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Quoted: Correct. It's not much though. IIRC @Mageever stated that the flash hider to blast baffle spec has some extra room built in with Xeno. Todd, correct me if I'm wrong please. This picture illustrates two DA121 flash hiders lined up and the DA vs LMT Xeno adapters screwed on. The LMT sits lower down on the FH by about the width of the flange. https://i.imgur.com/5itrEX1.jpeg View Quote Yeah, it's a tiny difference between the two. The LMT one sticks into the can a tiny bit more--like .10" or so. We built plenty of clearance in there. The only reason why you should worry about that is if you're running some can with a crazy close blast baffle. So close that other's don't fit. As long as the blast baffle is 1.5"+ from the back where the 1.375-24 threads start, then you'll be fine. Most cans are now. |
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Quoted: Yeah, it's a tiny difference between the two. The LMT one sticks into the can a tiny bit more--like .10" or so. We built plenty of clearance in there. The only reason why you should worry about that is if you're running some can with a crazy close blast baffle. So close that other's don't fit. As long as the blast baffle is 1.5"+ from the back where the 1.375-24 threads start, then you'll be fine. Most cans are now. View Quote Awesome. Thanks Todd! |
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