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Posted: 7/4/2008 11:08:26 PM EDT
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I bought a new 12 gauge Remington 870 Express this week so me and a few buddies could blast some clays for the 4th. It's an 18" barrel with a factory +2 mag extension. So I picked up a case of Winchester 2-3/4" "Game Loads" at Wal-Mart. We get everything set up and I load the mag, chamber a shell and take out a clay. I go to cycle the next shell, but it won't release. So I put the stock to the ground and it finally ejects. The next shell gets left in the chamber. The first thing I thought was it's just me. But my buddies tried it and had the same issues. After trying some brass base shells (even some reloads), all the issues went away so we all came to the conclusion that it is the aluminum base Winchesters, BUT they run perfectly fine in one friend's Mossberg 590. Anybody else see this with a brand new 870? Thanks, G |
Its a known problem with that ammo. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=9&f=11&t=225937 Most walmarts have valuepack Rem & Federal shells too which dont have that problem. Continue using the Win and you risk a chipped or broken extractor if your express has the MIM extractor. |
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I have a similar problem with a Winchester 1200, shooting 00 buck. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=235360 Wonder if Winchester has loaded a bad batch? |
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Thanks for the info. Yep, looks like it's a molded extractor. I can see it has a line running length-wise. Now I absolutely fucking hate Winchester and will NEVER again buy any of their shit. So will I have this problem with any aluminum base shells or just Winchester garbage? G |
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The problem you are having with your 870 is probably a rough chamber. You need to polish the chamber good and in most cases the problem will go away. The chamber can be tight and have some minor tool marks that causes some shells to stick in it. Rig something up like a 10" or 12" rod, wrap steel wool around it and chuck it in a drill. Also you can Wrap some cloth around the rod to make it thicker and some string to hold it then roll some 400 - 600 grit sandpaper around it and tie the bottom near the drill with string to hold it. Polish it good. After using the very fine sand paper, if you have some polishing compound, you can put some of that on the cloth with some oil and polish it smoother. I had this problem on three shotguns and it went away after I did a good polished job on the chamber. |
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I bought a case of this ammo for cheap speed drill practice. In one of my 870's, one that has literally thousands of rounds down the tube without a hitch, this ammo won't work for this purpose. I have problems with it in my other 870 too, just not as bad. If you work the action slowly it functions just fine, but when you put the speed on it the bottom of the front of the shell slams into the bottom of the face of the chamber causing a jam and damaging the cartridge. At first I thought it was me so I had two other instructors that are pretty fast with 870's give it a run....same problem. One had the same problem in his gun. So I thought it was the elevator in the gun needing adjusting, but it runs everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING else, just fine. After a lot of head scratching we speculate, with no way of proving our theory, that the light weight of the shell is allowing it to "bounce" back forward on the elevator and it's positioned wrong when the bolt comes forward, driving it into the chamber face instead of into the chamber. It seems to cycle fine in my A5 and Mossberg 930, I can't duplicate the bolt speed of the autoloaders with the pump...close but not quite. I think the bolt speed and the fact that the bolt releases the split second the cartridge base hits the bolt latch doesn't allow time for the "bounce" and prevents the malfunction. Even tho I can use it in my other guns I'll still pass on buying any more of this ammo. Rob |
I just recently bought a pair Remington 870's one a magnum and a super magnum. I first went out for deer season with the magnum and had the same problem. You would shoot and the action would not move. HAVEING A ROUGH CAMBER WOULD NOT CAUSE THIS.... I tried this with hornady slugs, winchester, remington, ect... and all had the same results. I sent that gun back to remington and received a new in the box gun with no explanation to what was wrong with the old one other than defective. Not thinking about that problem I took the other 870 supermagnum out for turkey season. I only took 5 shots with it to check the pattern and went out. I got a shot on a tom and shot, but I needed a follow up shot..... you guessed it wouldn't eject that shell. I have no explanation to what the problem is but it is definately something with only the new production 870's ...... After this series of junk from remington not including some of their rimfire crap ammo I will never buy a remington product again.. I think they are made the same place there value junk rimfire ammo is made..
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You are mistaken. A rough/dirty chamber is the primary cause of extraction problems thus a failure to be able to cycle the action on a pump or autoloading shotgun. Cleaning/polishing the chamber will usually cure the problem. Rob |
Yep Especially with NIB 870s. The preservative Remington uses to ship the guns will stop any shell from normal extraction. I usually scrub the chamber with a brass brush, wipe out with a patch wet with CLP, and repeat this process 3-5 times to get it all out. Just a quick brush & lube will not remove all the preservative. |
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Ok, here is the problem I have with this theory of polishing a brand new chamber.. I got the gun on the 3rd, took it home and did a "normal" cleaning. Nothing extensive. Took it completely apart, wiped off all the synthetic motor oil, I mean "preservative," and re-lubed with some CLP. Then I loaded the aluminum base Winchester garbage shells into the mag and began to pump all the shells out of the mag into the chamber and ejected each one without a problem. On the 4th, I loaded those same shells back into the mag, chambered the first and took out a clay. That's when I couldn't get it to cycle. The round was stuck in the chamber. It took a whack to the ground with the stock to get it open. I didn't like what I was seeing so I let my buddies try with another mag full of the Winchesters. Same problems. So we got out a box of assorted brass base shells, some new, some reloads, all 2-3/4" target loads. Every single one of them ran perfectly in that never-before-polished, just cleaned out of the box chamber. I'm just not buying this polish/scrub the hell out of a brand new chamber to make some shitty Winchester garbage run without issues. However, my buddy's VERY well broken in Mossberg 590 ran fine with the Winchesters. But that's like comparing... red apples with green apples.. I guess. I think I'm going to get a box of aluminum base Remington target loads and see if they run. If they don't, then I know it's the aluminum getting stuck, not the plastic. G |
That should just be done on an 870 to prevent cheap shells from sticking without a brass base such as the Federal & Remington promo packs. If you are having FTEs with a new 870 its usually the number 1 issue. The Winchester Universals / Promo Packs will not work in 870s as a general rule. I literally gave away 3 packs away because they wouldn't function correctly in 3 different 870s I owned including a very well used Wingmaster from the 60s. |
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I know of others who have sent their 870 into a Remington service center for shells sticking in the chamber. The fix by the service center was too polish the chamber. My Mossberg 930 SPX was having the same problem with Fiocchi buckshot, after I had the cone extended to 4" and the chamber & cone polished it now cycles Fiocchi buckshot with no problem. It is very reliable with all ammo. Some chambers are a little tight and or a little rough. GC |
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