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3/28/2008 4:22:55 PM EDT
I made what I thought was a low bid on a Polytech M14S on Gunbroker.com. Well.....a couple days later I get an e-mail telling me I won the auction !!! Boy was I suprised. So here are a few photos of my newly acquired M14S. Price was $710 plus shipping and transfer fee. I am having trouble getting CMI mags to lock into the rifle. Any ideas ???


3/28/2008 6:17:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Not being a smartass but are you putting them in right? Sometimes if you don't have just the right angle it won't engage right.

Also I have both original USGI and CMI mags and some of the CMI's are harder to get inserted than the GI ones.
3/28/2008 8:11:37 PM EDT
[#2]
First of all nice Poly, Congrats!

CMIs work well in my Polytech.  Are you rocking the mags in front to back so that the magazine lug gets locked???  

Insert magazine front into the magazine well as far as it will go then tilt the rear portion of your magazine up until it locks into place.  I don't think your the rear of your magazine is locked.  

If this doesn't work you have a bad mag... better mail it to me so that I can dispose of it
3/28/2008 8:32:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Put some grease on the recoil guide. The angled part that locks the mag in place when you rock it. It catches on the small square in the front of the mag and a little grease sometimes makes a huge difference inserting mags.
3/29/2008 9:32:50 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Not being a smartass but are you putting them in right? Sometimes if you don't have just the right angle it won't engage right.

Also I have both original USGI and CMI mags and some of the CMI's are harder to get inserted than the GI ones.

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Sir...I know you aren't being a smartass. Yes...I am putting in right. The mag that came with it goes in just fine. On another forum someone told me that CMI mags are a little wider than older USGI mags. Older USGI mags are suppose to work fine.

Now maybe you guys can explain something else to me. I have been told the bolt needs to be replaced with a USGI bolt. Others say no!!  Just shoot it and have fun. Any idea who is right. Thanks........
3/29/2008 9:41:17 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not being a smartass but are you putting them in right? Sometimes if you don't have just the right angle it won't engage right.

Also I have both original USGI and CMI mags and some of the CMI's are harder to get inserted than the GI ones.

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Sir...I know you aren't being a smartass. Yes...I am putting in right. The mag that came with it goes in just fine. On another forum someone told me that CMI mags are a little wider than older USGI mags. Older USGI mags are suppose to work fine.

Now maybe you guys can explain something else to me. I have been told the bolt needs to be replaced with a USGI bolt. Others say no!!  Just shoot it and have fun. Any idea who is right. Thanks........


Glad you didn't take it the wrong way. You might have to look up in the magwell and see if there is wood material getting in the way. The stock on the gun is much nicer than any I have seen on a Polytech so it might be a different brand and is causing some fit problems in the magwell area.

As far as bolts go there are two minds on it like you have noticed. The majority of the owners just check and continue to check headspace and run it forever with the stock bolt (Such as myself). Other aren't worried but switch with a new USGI bolt anyways that they bought themselves (or have the company provide) or have the stock bolt heat treated correctly per spec, and have one of the companies that do this job do the switch out and headspace. Others swear that you have to have a new bolt, that it is dangerous to not do it.

The story comes from some of the early bolts not being the correct grade of steel and not being heat treated right. That part is true, but not being spec. has, to the best of my knowledge, not caused that big of a problem. Others may have facts that differ.
3/29/2008 12:53:40 PM EDT
[#6]
The soft bolt story IMHO comes the fact that polytechs are chambered for NATO ammo not 308. SAMMI specks are different, and they are different ammo. Company's that make their  money changing bolts love to spread this  rumor.
I have never heard "FIRST HAND" of a polytech going boom! It is always my cousins, uncle who was a SEAL in the big war.
As far as the mag problem go's,  if the mags locks in, and are just hard to insert it may be a case of thick/rough finish on the mags.This can be corrected with lube and or a emery cloth.

3/29/2008 1:13:01 PM EDT
[#7]

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Now maybe you guys can explain something else to me. I have been told the bolt needs to be replaced with a USGI bolt. Others say no!!  Just shoot it and have fun. Any idea who is right. Thanks........


Congratulations on your score !!

You should be able to shoot NATO ball ammo without issue, but you may want to check the head space from time to time.
If you want a USGI bolt conversion I suggest you contact Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc. Ron knows the Chinese M14
better than the Chinese, he has performed 4 bolt conversions for me and the results are outstanding



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3/29/2008 1:21:08 PM EDT
[#8]
I have a Norinco M14S (heel stamped) that I've shot 2-3 thousand rounds through and it's still shooting just fine.  I had the headspace checked 6 months ago and all was still within spec.  The gunsmith said there was nothing wrong with that gun/bolt.  I've had it since around 1995 (ish).
3/30/2008 11:09:54 AM EDT
[#9]
I wish we could get the Poly's like our neighbors up north. I would love to have another m14 variant, but there are too many things that are on my short list. Sweet rifle.
3/30/2008 11:13:02 AM EDT
[#10]
Thanks Guys........... I did get an estimate to put a USGI bolt in the Polytech from SEI. I had to laugh a little. If you include the price of the bolt with the estimate it would be more than the rifle cost me !!!!
3/30/2008 2:01:01 PM EDT
[#11]

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Thanks Guys........... I did get an estimate to put a USGI bolt in the Polytech from SEI. I had to laugh a little. If you include the price of the bolt with the estimate it would be more than the rifle cost me !!!!


Yup, I had the same reaction. I have a Poly. Sometime back I called SEI to get an estimate on switching out the bolt. WOW!
3/30/2008 2:40:34 PM EDT
[#12]
I am waiting on an estimate from Warbird. I believe he is a little cheaper. I will also check for a good local gunsmith. I also found some used like new Chinese bolts. I am only going to shoot 7.62 X 51 surplus in it so the Chinese bolt should be fine.
3/30/2008 3:54:17 PM EDT
[#13]
you know i am having troubles getting my cmi's into my rifle as well. I just picked up these cmi's from 44mag a few weeks ago and they act like they are too wide. You can't rock and click these in. They have to be shoved and then slap the heel of the mag pretty hard for them to lock in. Our mags might be out of spec
3/30/2008 5:48:57 PM EDT
[#14]

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you know i am having troubles getting my cmi's into my rifle as well. I just picked up these cmi's from 44mag a few weeks ago and they act like they are too wide. You can't rock and click these in. They have to be shoved and then slap the heel of the mag pretty hard for them to lock in. Our mags might be out of spec

My new CMI mags lock into my Springfield Armory rifle just fine. They have to be slapped hard to lock into the Polytech. I am going to try the T-57 mags from Midway in the Polytech and see how it goes.
3/30/2008 5:52:00 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
you know i am having troubles getting my cmi's into my rifle as well. I just picked up these cmi's from 44mag a few weeks ago and they act like they are too wide. You can't rock and click these in. They have to be shoved and then slap the heel of the mag pretty hard for them to lock in. Our mags might be out of spec

My new CMI mags lock into my Springfield Armory rifle just fine. They have to be slapped hard to lock into the Polytech. I am going to try the T-57 mags from Midway in the Polytech and see how it goes.


Different is saying some cmi mags are wider above the Y-Y axis on the TDP tech drawings. I need to investigate further.
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