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Posted: 5/9/2016 1:40:11 PM EDT
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Since thermal is an emerging technology when is the next generation going to emerge? 640 has been out there for awhile and, if history repeats itself, the 640s will drop in price like a rock when the new stuff comes out. Then, as thermal gets more refined, I expect the prices across the board to fall.
With all that in mind I'm considering selling my 640 thermal and re-investing into more NV. NV seems to be a mature technology and the prices don't change much over time. I'd hate to not have my thermal because it really is amazing, but now might be the time to cash out on the 640s. Thoughts on all that or when we might see the next generation of thermals hit the streets? |
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In thermal there's always something newer, maybe cheaper and cooler around the corner. A guy just has to buy something that meets his/her expectitions at the time and go with it. Other wise you are just wasting time you could be out using some awesome themal systems being made and sold right now.
720 core sounds great, but I'm sure the price will be higher on them for a while. I would opt for a good 640 cored system at cheaper pricing myself. I have to look at the bang for the buck and a 640 cored system is very capable of doing most task. |
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I will not being selling any of my numerous 640 cores in hopes of a 1080P core being marketed, especially since they work so well now. I also realize the 1080 cores are in Mil systems and just not sure how soon those true resolution type of cores may be released in commercial hands. I and a few others were surprised when the 12um BAE cores IR Defense utilized were released in the commercial market a few years back. Time will tell... |
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In thermal there's always something newer, maybe cheaper and cooler around the corner. A guy just has to buy something that meets his/her expectitions at the time and go with it. Other wise you are just wasting time you could be out using some awesome themal systems being made and sold right now. 720 core sounds great, but I'm sure the price will be higher on them for a while. I would opt for a good 640 cored system at cheaper pricing myself. I have to look at the bang for the buck and a 640 cored system is very capable of doing most task. Currently, the720 640 cores found in the IR defense units are generally much more affordable with some excellent features when compared to FLIR products with 640 cores. Than being said FLIR has some good stuff in the works but i am not sure as to what the pricepoint will be. |
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Ulis has a 1024 core in the same line as the ones that go in the ThOR hds. I dont see whats stopping Atn from making a scope for it. That is a 17um Core on a 1024x768 where as the IR defense has a 12um core 640x480, its a perfect matched pixel to pixel ratio Microns aka um is basically a sensitivity rating of what the core is capable of detecting the lower the better. As a Thermal user, I want the ability to detect things sooner and from farther out, to someone such as myself the 12um core of the IR defence is where its at currently. When I was in the Military some of our camera systems operated in the 3-5um range and could detect say a 50ft Fishing boat at 20-25 miles at 20000ft depending on atmospherics. |
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Quoted: That is a 17um Core on a 1024x768 where as the IR defense has a 12um core 640x480, its a perfect matched pixel to pixel ratio Microns aka um is basically a sensitivity rating of what the core is capable of detecting the lower the better. As a Thermal user, I want the ability to detect things sooner and from farther out, to someone such as myself the 12um core of the IR defence is where its at currently. When I was in the Military some of our camera systems operated in the 3-5um range and could detect say a 50ft Fishing boat at 20-25 miles at 20000ft depending on atmospherics. Quoted: Quoted: Ulis has a 1024 core in the same line as the ones that go in the ThOR hds. I dont see whats stopping Atn from making a scope for it. That is a 17um Core on a 1024x768 where as the IR defense has a 12um core 640x480, its a perfect matched pixel to pixel ratio Microns aka um is basically a sensitivity rating of what the core is capable of detecting the lower the better. As a Thermal user, I want the ability to detect things sooner and from farther out, to someone such as myself the 12um core of the IR defence is where its at currently. When I was in the Military some of our camera systems operated in the 3-5um range and could detect say a 50ft Fishing boat at 20-25 miles at 20000ft depending on atmospherics. Smaller pitch gives you better sensitivity? I thought it just allowed you to have a smaller lens and better depth of field. I'm not trying to suggest ATN is working on this or anything (if they are they haven't told me), I just noticed they were available at Ulis and I don't get why more people aren't jumping on using them. Surely BAE and FLIR already have the capability to do so as well. I'm guessing it is a business decision to slow walk to the release of higher resolutions, or is it a regulatory thing like ITAR slowing it down, or is it a technical barrier that they have yet to overcome? |
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Smaller pitch gives you better sensitivity? I thought it just allowed you to have a smaller lens and better depth of field. At least that, but the pitch might have something to do with the range of spectrum it can see.. Or not, I don't know, but my guess would go towards small pitch sensors seeing SWIR. For a 17µm 1024*768 sensor it would be very expensive to make a objective that could see a 50ft boat at 25 miles plus it would be huge, but completely another story for small sensors. |
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Next gen? Shoot I'd be happy if they could lower the price of the HISS to something consumer friendly... and also sell them to us.
http://www.flir.com/uploadedFiles/flirGS/Surveillance/Products/ThermoSight/HISS-XLR/flir-thermosight-hiss-xlr-datasheet.pdf |
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Next gen? Shoot I'd be happy if they could lower the price of the HISS to something consumer friendly... and also sell them to us. http://www.flir.com/uploadedFiles/flirGS/Surveillance/Products/ThermoSight/HISS-XLR/flir-thermosight-hiss-xlr-datasheet.pdf That ain't gonna happen anytime soon on both fronts. |
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For those of you scratching your heads after reading this thread, no there are not an 720 IRD units on the market or in the works. Micron is a length that equals 1 millionth of a meter. Micron is used as the unit of measurement to describe the physical size of the pixel on a camera/thermal core sensor. Smaller pixel size requires less glass for the same magnification. It has nothing to do with sensitivity. |
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For those of you scratching your heads after reading this thread, no there are not an 720 IRD units on the market or in the works. Micron is a length that equals 1 millionth of a meter. Micron is used as the unit of measurement to describe the physical size of the pixel on a camera/thermal core sensor. Smaller pixel size requires less glass for the same magnification. It has nothing to do with sensitivity. Tyler is Right, I think i brain farted, not a 720 core, its a 12 um core matched to a 640x480 display. And yes a micron is a unit of length but in laymens terms it translates to just that. |
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Cooled for me please, all day and all night long! 
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