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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - OPS INC 15th model (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 6/3/2006 12:36:58 PM EDT
For all those who have been waiting, things are looking up for the future  |
Yeah, that could be true of any given design. I am more commenting on the philosophy of if over-the-barrel designs are the best direction for a designer to take. |
That is SWEEEET looking. |
That was an esoteric comment for silencer designers so I reposted it in the silencer-smithing forum on my site: www.silencertests.com/silencer-forum/viewtopic.php?p=27073#27073 |
So this suppressor, the 15th model, will fit on an 11.5" barrel but nothing shorter? I want to SBR a lower and don't want to get the popular LMT 10.3" if it will prevent me from getting (using) a supressor in the future. Who makes the best 11.5" uppers? Does LW make an 11.5" piston upper that can (pun?) use something other than standard M4 handguards? Do they even make one that can use M4 handguards? Sorry to spin OT so fast! |
Can we get a picture of that exact rifle with the can off and lying next to it? |
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Are we to gather then that in your (bigbore) opinion the OPS inc is the best suppressor available currently? Or will be as soon as the flash suppressor mounts are available? Will the suppressor work on a 16 inch gov't profile barrel? I see all this talk about "steps" in the barrel, are these essential for the suppressor to mount properly? |
The best for what? For who? For people like me who require a $200 stamp I think its an excellent option when you consider its price, weight, quality and length added to the barrel. From my limited experience, at this time if I could only own 1 5.56 silencer, it would be a 15th model.
Personally, I have no interest in a flash hider mount. If I shoot at night, I'll have the can installed. If a flash hider is that important, look at other silencer options. If you would rather trade extra weight and length to get a flash hider mount, the options are there in other silencers.
It would work great on a 16" barrel, most have the step needed for the M4 collar. |
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Roger that, I wasn't looking to trash the OPS inc. with my above questions, just asking for your opinion since you seem to have hands on experience with several of the current suppressor offerings from various manufacturers. With regards to the Flash suppressor Vs. Muzzle break issue, I just don't care for the increased muzzle blast that tends to be evident when using a muzzle break, all other things being equal i'd rather have the flash suppressor, which I understand is not far from being available so that's settled as well. I'm looking forward to trying both the OPS inc. and AAC cans in person, i'm currently trying to find somewhere nearby where I can do so, because they seem to be the two front runners in the suppressor market today, both having credible proponents backing them up. |
If the Ops Inc is a "thread-mount silencer" then so it the YHM. |
The OPS units have a proprietary muzzle device with small threads, the can threads on there internally and it's rear locks into a collar. To mount the can, you have to remove the thread protectors and screw on the can. With the AAC style 'big' threads you only need one twist to attach the can, and it doesn't use a thread protector that needs removing. However, we're talking mere seconds difference in speed here, and if mounting your can in 3 instead of 6 seconds (figures for arguement's sake) is imperative to you, chances are you probably should've mounted your can beforehand. Anyway, there is no doubt that AAC cans are some of the very best there are, but OPS Inc was making cans long before AAC even existed, and their cans have been in use with the US military for 20 years now. OPS has the advantage of being truly battle tested. |
Good point. I should have considered that as well. However, in removing a hot can, the user's ability to properly grasp it seems a far more decisive factor in removal than whether it takes one or three turns to unscrew it. It's interesting to note that the KAC NT4 unit can be removed in case of failure by pushing the redundancy latch out with a bayonet and then firing a round. However, this likely destroys the can. |
That's pretty cool. I think the KAC documentation stated that it would damage the can, but if it doesn't, i guess it's testament to the quality of the can. |
So your saying they have been suppling the same design for 20 years? No improvements or changes? Let's see if 20 yrs of military use means an advantage then the Sonics cans of the 60s must really be good! Hell Sonics was around long before OPS even thought about existing. Basically your above statement is worthless in proof that their cans are any better than any one elses. I don't mind people giving facts that support their claims but this one is worthless. |
No, i'm not saying that. The OPS .223 cans are now in their 15th version. They have been continuously improved as new materials and machining options became available. I'm not neccesarily saying they're the better cans, just that they have the advantage of extensive field use and government feedback. The 15th model OPS inc can is essentially the product of 20 years of field experience and improvement, and as far as i know no other suppressor manufacturer can make that claim. |
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Attach 15th model Remove 15th model The .mil may want what they want, but I doubt most of the people who get silencers on form 4s care if it takes 2 or 5 seconds to install and remove. The LEOs I know with silencers have QD mounts mostly so they can remove the silencer after the fact, so the news crews dont see them walking around with silencers. If the OPS cans can be accessed, they will take a significant chunk out of the civilian market. The only thing I see holding them back is general public ignorance, and the lack of any advertising/marketing. I would like to be able to offer side by side samples for customers (LE and form 4) to test fire. An M4 with a 15th model, M42000, G5, and the Surefire. Considering size, weight, sound, and cost, I doubt the attachment mechanism will be a deciding factor. |
Because there are at least different barrel designs in question.... The SBR collar mounts flush up against up against the FSB The M4 collar sets up against the first step in the barrel The SPR collar sets in the step cut into the SPR barrel. The step in the M4 barrel is the same in every barrel- CAR gas system . SPR barrels dont have the step in the same location as the SPR - rifle gas system. Not all 11.5" barrels have a step. |
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It has no flash suppressor. It is just a little better than a normal thread mount. Not as good as the Surefire mount, or AAC, or YHM. Like I said, the can is excellent, but not better than AAC or Surefire. Once again, the Ops Inc is an excellent can -- one of the very best. I am not saying it is a bad can. I know people will think I am saying that. It was a great choice for a long time (back when you could not get them) and still is an acceptable choice. It is a fully welded can that is made well. It has been passed by AAC and Surefire but I could see getting one as a usable collectable because they are in military service. |
It will soon.
In what ways are Surefire and AAC suppressors better? What advantages do the Surefire and AAC have over the OPS other than the mount issue? Define "better" comparing them for use on a 14.5" M4 barrel. Weight? Length extended past barrel? Durability? POI shift? Cost? With each mentioned above how are the Surefire and AAC better? This is an open forum, you arent going to hurt my feelings by telling me something I dont know. I sell all three, so I'd love to know as much about each as I can. |
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5-10 years ago KAC and Ops Inc were two superlative choices. Both were hard to get. The good thing about the Ops Inc can, was back in the day, the KAC can was not that good for POI, but the Ops Inc was. Both were durable cans. The KAC had a faster mount, but the Ops was more accurate. So one would get the KAC for a carbine, and the Ops Inc for a precision rifle (SPR). Now days, we have lots of choices. The Surefire can internally is just like the Ops. It is very light and durable, and sounds as good. It has a faster to use mount. While I don't have hard numbers on POI for both, it seems like Surefire, OPS, and AAC are all excellent in this regard. All three are durable and light weight and all are accurate with minimal POI. But the Ops has a significantly worse mounting system while not being better in any way. The future is AAC and Surefire unless Ops kicks in and shows something new. Once again, it is a GOOD CAN but I would personally get one only if I was building an SPR replica. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - OPS INC 15th model (Page 1 of 5)
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