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Originally Posted By Embittered: Gotdam that’s a heavy bitch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Embittered: Originally Posted By MK3110: About 0.925” OD 2.5” from the muzzle. Looks like its just under 0.900” from the muzzle to the collar. Gotdam that’s a heavy bitch. Rifle’s only 16lbs with optic, bipod, and can. |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Where are the details on the French version of a MK12? View Quote There's a picture of a rifle with the B&T can at the bottom of this article. Looks like a Centurion rail. Not sure if this is the French configuration or not. https://www.guns.com/news/2024/01/31/b-and-t-new-suppressor-lineup |
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I've been looking and haven't been able to find the actual specs but if I can come up with it, I'll post it.
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"Here's to gunpowder and pussy; live by one, die by the other, love the smell of both."
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Originally Posted By SchlaffTablett: I've been looking and haven't been able to find the actual specs but if I can come up with it, I'll post it. View Quote Here's a quote from Centurion's product page: "Apparently, during GWOT, one of the European NATO allies procured a small batch of MK12 uppers from the United States but didn’t buy the ops inc suppressors the American forces were using. They went to Brugger and Thomet, a European suppressor manufacturer, and had them made." |
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Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly.
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. View Quote Are you using an AEM5 or M4 can? AE sells the 3-piece collar deals with different inner diameters for barrels. I think they even make version to work with 12.5 and 12.7 barrels now if you’re using an AEM5. For OPs anything these days. I’d either use ADCO or Alleghany. |
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Not a Tennessee Squire
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Originally Posted By Subpar: Are you using an AEM5 or M4 can? AE sells the 3-piece collar deals with different inner diameters for barrels. I think they even make version to work with 12.5 and 12.7 barrels now if you're using an AEM5. For OPs anything these days. I'd either use ADCO or Alleghany. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Subpar: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Are you using an AEM5 or M4 can? AE sells the 3-piece collar deals with different inner diameters for barrels. I think they even make version to work with 12.5 and 12.7 barrels now if you're using an AEM5. For OPs anything these days. I'd either use ADCO or Alleghany. |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: While the aem5 would be convenient I think I'll be going with an m4 can. View Quote I used a Colt 14.5” for mine. Sent it to Ron and he fit a 3 piece collar and sent it back. Didn’t require profiling or anything. If you have accurate calipers you could probably just measure and call Ron to turn you a collar if he’s still doing that kind of work. |
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. View Quote Here’s some light reading on the subject Somali Build Thread |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Here's some light reading on the subject Somali Build Thread |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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I have a Vietnam retro 16 with 20” pencil barrel. Anyone have pictures of one with aem5 setup and how you did it? I want to or would like to keep 20”. My options of what I’m thinking.
1. Keep pencil barrel get a collar. Is this possible or does barrel need cutting? Which collar is needed if barrel does or doesn’t have to be cut. 2. 20” “regular” barrel and get profiled for spr/aem setup. Ya i think it would look cool with that gap between FSP and suppressor. 3. First, what it shortest barrel length you can go with FSP? If I got an 18” Douglas which is already set up for spr/aem profile. Will that work? Bummer a quality barrel like that I can’t get in 20” |
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Originally Posted By Subpar: I used a Colt 14.5” for mine. Sent it to Ron and he fit a 3 piece collar and sent it back. Didn’t require profiling or anything. If you have accurate calipers you could probably just measure and call Ron to turn you a collar if he’s still doing that kind of work. View Quote I did the same. Sent the 14.5” upper to Ron who fitted the collar to the M4 can I bought before it shipped to my dealer. Attached File |
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What’s the best light/light mount for a Gordon? Without getting into high dollar clone correct territory.
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Oh I’m sorry, I thought this was America!
MI, USA
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Originally Posted By SaturationTech: What’s the best light/light mount for a Gordon? Without getting into high dollar clone correct territory. View Quote Electrical tape or an inner tube |
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I sell people a means to defend themselves.
UT, USA
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Originally Posted By SaturationTech: What’s the best light/light mount for a Gordon? Without getting into high dollar clone correct territory. View Quote Check this thread for answers. |
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
So I know you're a SF whore . . . . . |
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Originally Posted By Redhead45: I have a Vietnam retro 16 with 20” pencil barrel. Anyone have pictures of one with aem5 setup and how you did it? I want to or would like to keep 20”. My options of what I’m thinking. 1. Keep pencil barrel get a collar. Is this possible or does barrel need cutting? Which collar is needed if barrel does or doesn’t have to be cut. 2. 20” “regular” barrel and get profiled for spr/aem setup. Ya i think it would look cool with that gap between FSP and suppressor. 3. First, what it shortest barrel length you can go with FSP? If I got an 18” Douglas which is already set up for spr/aem profile. Will that work? Bummer a quality barrel like that I can’t get in 20” View Quote 1. If you want to use a two piece collar set up, yes it would need trimmed as there is nothing to shoulder the collar against. 2. That is totally doable on a .750" barrel using a custom collar. The barrel would need turned down a bit from the collar forward but it's absolutely doable. 3. Completely depends on the can and gas tube length. You need about 2.6" forward of the FSB for an A series mount, 2.1" for a B series, and around 5" for an M4. |
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"Here's to gunpowder and pussy; live by one, die by the other, love the smell of both."
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. View Quote Use a 14.5" M4 barrel. That is more than likely what the original was and it's the most straightforward to get the 3 piece collar mounted up for. |
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"Here's to gunpowder and pussy; live by one, die by the other, love the smell of both."
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Originally Posted By SchlaffTablett: Use a 14.5" M4 barrel. That is more than likely what the original was and it's the most straightforward to get the 3 piece collar mounted up for. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SchlaffTablett: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Use a 14.5" M4 barrel. That is more than likely what the original was and it's the most straightforward to get the 3 piece collar mounted up for. |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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As long as you have the AE M4 can.
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Does anyone still make custom length collars? I was planning to buy an AEM3 or 4 and purchased a long collar along with a spacer from ADCO that would allow me to properly run an AEM3/4 on the gun. However, the barrel just arrived (SOLGW Precision 16" barrel that I was told from a 3rd party had the correct step placement), and the step is located 2.2" past the muzzle. To my understanding, that makes it about .15" too long of a distance to run an AEM2/3/4, and .35" too short to run an AEM5. Any ideas short of having the barrel re-profiled? Ideally, I think I'd prefer a custom collar to run the AEM2/3/4 spec cans. Thanks!
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Originally Posted By StevethePirate: Does anyone still make custom length collars? I was planning to buy an AEM3 or 4 and purchased a long collar along with a spacer from ADCO that would allow me to properly run an AEM3/4 on the gun. However, the barrel just arrived (SOLGW Precision 16" barrel that I was told from a 3rd party had the correct step placement), and the step is located 2.2" past the muzzle. To my understanding, that makes it about .15" too long of a distance to run an AEM2/3/4, and .35" too short to run an AEM5. Any ideas short of having the barrel re-profiled? Ideally, I think I'd prefer a custom collar to run the AEM2/3/4 spec cans. Thanks! View Quote https://adcofirearms.com/shop/gunsmithing/contouring/contour-allen-engineering-collar/ |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. View Quote I'd trust ADCO since they've been doing this for a long time. Allegheny Arms is also doing them Dave Wilson did them for a while but I think he's not taking barrel work for AE suppressors right now. |
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Otter Creek makes their gordon collar that is meant to work with a standard 12.5” barrel, and it saves a ton of headache, and you should be fine to do it without paying a gunsmith.
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I sell people a means to defend themselves.
UT, USA
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
So I know you're a SF whore . . . . . |
Boo what? They make excellent stuff.
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Strength Determination Merciless Forever
PA, USA
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Strength Determination Merciless Forever
PA, USA
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Purses fly!
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Originally Posted By hydrostatic_cling: Otter Creek makes their gordon collar that is meant to work with a standard 12.5” barrel, and it saves a ton of headache, and you should be fine to do it without paying a gunsmith. View Quote You are new here so you get a pass. Otter creek isn't a name that sits well with most. There is a HUGE reason Otter Creek is not in the title of this thread. Best just keep that name out of here. |
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"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray for stronger men."
My friends call me "The Plug". |
Originally Posted By 5pt56: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473775/6287-3290232.jpg View Quote When 12th models were so cool they didn't even need to say 12th model on them. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray for stronger men."
My friends call me "The Plug". |
Originally Posted By bigbore: When 12th models were so cool they didn't even need to say 12th model on them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20240809_203142-3290307.jpg View Quote Word! |
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-Things do not happen. Things are made to happen. -JFK
-Beware the fury of a patient man. -Thousands and thousands of laws....All for just ten commandments. -"alot" is not a word. |
Originally Posted By 5pt56: That's amazing! Thanks for sharing! Not a 12th model but as close as I can get to matching your pic and similar markings. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473775/6293-3290354.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473775/6289-3290355.jpg View Quote This is probably the rarest Shingletown model. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: This is probably the rarest Shingletown model. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20240809_203618-3290371.jpg View Quote Yeah that is top shelf right there!!! |
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"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray for stronger men."
My friends call me "The Plug". |
Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor?
https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock View Quote I believe so. Just have to send it to Ron to have it contoured/cleaned up and have the collar added. |
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I sell people a means to defend themselves.
UT, USA
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock View Quote Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. |
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
So I know you're a SF whore . . . . . |
Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. |
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The rarest are the ones with the Shingletown 2 line stamping and a hand stamped serial number.
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By k31user: Trajectory has short 3 piece collars for the 12.5/AEM5 if you are going for the Gordon clone look. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By k31user: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Thanks for the catch on this guys. Since I need an M4, I'll likely just go the 12.5" route since I have an AEM5. Saves a little money. Trajectory has short 3 piece collars for the 12.5/AEM5 if you are going for the Gordon clone look. |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: Thanks for the catch on this guys. Since I need an M4, I'll likely just go the 12.5" route since I have an AEM5. Saves a little money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. Sweet. Post pics when it’s done |
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What rifle length barrel would allow me to use the Gordon collar for the AEM5? 18"?
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