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Posted: 7/13/2011 11:55:09 AM EDT
| Yes I am aware of the crappy rpd but I wonder why the soviets never built a downsized pkm with 7.62x39 as a SAW role or even later a 5.45 variant to serve. |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. An Ultimax 100 in 6.5 or 6.8 would fill that niche nicely. My understanding is that the problem with the IAR concept is reliable better than 30 rounds per device feeding. Commies had 75 round drums that worked. |
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How about a lightweight, updated PKM in 6.5 Grendel? With a 100 round drum magazine. Oh, and an Acog. There, that oughta cover most of the basic wishlists these days.  EDIT - Looks like the guy above beat me to some of this stuff!  Quoted: An Ultimax 100 in 6.5 or 6.8 would fill that niche nicely. |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. Have you ever actually used a SAW? Its a phenominal weapon once you understand and own it. Also incase you didnt know, the SAW is belt fed AND Magazine fed |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. Have you ever actually used a SAW? Its a phenominal weapon once you understand and own it. Also incase you didnt know, the SAW is belt fed AND Magazine fed +1 I like the M249 a lot. I have found that the light support weapons are kind of dumb, being that they have to use a magazine. The non-removable barrel is also a downside, but most people don't use this feature on the M249 much anyway. People in the British army refer to their own LSW, based off of the SA-80, as the "long silly weapon." The LSW concept just isn't nearly as useful or as flexable as a belt fed weapon in the same role, IMO. LSW's are cheaper though. |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. Have you ever actually used a SAW? Its a phenominal weapon once you understand and own it. Also incase you didnt know, the SAW is belt fed AND Magazine fed I hate that heavy, jamming motherfucker and will gladly accept any IAR the Corps wants to give me... |
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6.5 and 6.8 are for those lacking in testicular fortitude when it comes to the 7.62.  .....and they are carrying 5-10 lbs less than you are for the same round count and their ammo takes up less space/bulk in their overall loadout. 6.8 does well out 400m IIRC and 6.5 has teeth at 800m. |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. Have you ever actually used a SAW? Its a phenominal weapon once you understand and own it. Also incase you didnt know, the SAW is belt fed AND Magazine fed I hate that heavy, jamming motherfucker and will gladly accept any IAR the Corps wants to give me... Did you ever carry one? Or just range and blank shoot. The 249 is an awesome weapon on the line. And its not that heavy. Beats carrying a 240. ETA - Whats crappy about the RPD? |
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They had a different style of infantry tactics than the west. Which is why the rpd was never modernized. There infantry tactics did not require a belted SAW. They had rpk's for that role as well as every grunt had a full auto AK. Also consider the RPK for a second. Look at how many nations and militaries use magazine fed light support weapons. When you consider it in this light, the US is kinda weird for having a belt fed SAW, which is why we now have things like the IAR. The SAW is probably ill conceived and while not useless, there may be better platforms that can do fundamentally the same thing. Have you ever actually used a SAW? Its a phenominal weapon once you understand and own it. Also incase you didnt know, the SAW is belt fed AND Magazine fed I have used a SAW, but I didn't "own" it, uncle sugar did... I understand it plenty, which is why I have a WAY mroe realistic opinion of it. If you would maintain that the M249 is a suitible accross the board replacement for the automatic rifle or that its even remotely comperable to the MG4 or KAC LMG, I would have to say "You're out of your element, Donny". The Minimi should have never been the M249. The Stoner 86 and HK23A were both better choices... I think if you look accross the board at the opinion of people who "actually use them", they will be closer to my sentiments than yours. |
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I meant own it as in make it your baby. Sure there are better options out there but for what it is, its a pretty good weapon. Im mean shit, i would love to replace the M16 too but thats not going to happen anytime soon. There are always better weapons but that doesnt meant the current issue is bad.
Personally i rather replace the M16 with the IAR and replace the SAW with something else. |
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I meant own it as in make it your baby. Sure there are better options out there but for what it is, its a pretty good weapon. Im mean shit, i would love to replace the M16 too but thats not going to happen anytime soon. There are always better weapons but that doesnt meant the current issue is bad. Personally i rather replace the M16 with the IAR and replace the SAW with something else. Your wasting your time. No one is willing to accept the fact that the 249 came along with epic sweet deals on m16s and fucking buckets of ma2hbs. Just like no one gets that the purchase of the m9 also kept us our Italy bases for a looooong time. Not that any of them are shitty weapons. |
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