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Posted: 10/10/2010 5:55:22 PM EDT
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I just bought some of this the other day. It's the only BP substitute within 100 miles of me.....that I know of. I can't find BP ANYWHERE. I opened up the can and it looks like gravel from the end of the driveway...it's that coarse. I decided to put out two 60gr charges to see how it would fare if I set it alight. I had a long cotton tipped aplicator (Q-tip) I soaked it in CLP to let it slow burn. I lit that on fire and then set it on the 120 gr pile. I'm pretty upset with the results. That thing just layed on there for a good two seconds before it ignited. Also, after watching the gigantic white cloud ascend I heard some of it still sparking on the ground. It just sounded like a few grains were still going up. Anyway, hopefully you guys have had some experience with this stuff. Please tell me it's not as bad as I think it's gonna be. I've googled it and it's been a love or hate affair. |
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It's also sold as "Jim Shockey's Gold" powder, and it's pretty much regarded as a sick joke on the muzzleloading community.
Here is the information for your closest two Goex Distributors. Call them, and they should be able to put you in touch with a retailer near you who carries Goex. Parks and Son, Inc. 234 Bingham & Parks Road Advance, NC 27006-9415 336-998-8182, Fax: 336-998-2696 Jacks Powder Keg P.O. Box 429 Marksville, LA 71351 (318) 253-6423, (888) 245-9631 Fax: 575-393-6060 Website: www.jackspowderkeg.com Holy Black is the one true powder for muzzleloading applications. Trying to run anything but black powder in a side lock percussion gun will give unsatisfactory results. Running anything but black powder in a flintlock is impossible. These guns were designed for black powder. There is no substitute. |
| I use Goex in both my side locks and 777 lose in my inline. as stated above anything but true black powder was no good in my caplocks. I also use hotshot nipples and #11 magnum primers. There is only one store anywhere near me that carries Goex but a friend orders it by the keg and than splits it up, that way is about 1/2 the cost of buying at the store. |
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Quoted: It's also sold as "Jim Shockey's Gold" powder, and it's pretty much regarded as a sick joke on the muzzleloading community. Here is the information for your closest two Goex Distributors. Call them, and they should be able to put you in touch with a retailer near you who carries Goex. Parks and Son, Inc. 234 Bingham & Parks Road Advance, NC 27006-9415 336-998-8182, Fax: 336-998-2696 Jacks Powder Keg P.O. Box 429 Marksville, LA 71351 (318) 253-6423, (888) 245-9631 Fax: 575-393-6060 Website: www.jackspowderkeg.com Holy Black is the one true powder for muzzleloading applications. Trying to run anything but black powder in a side lock percussion gun will give unsatisfactory results. Running anything but black powder in a flintlock is impossible. These guns were designed for black powder. There is no substitute. I have not had a chance to use it yet. I'm going to give it a go anyhow. I have a feeling that I'm going to be sorely dissapointed. I might as well just pour it in a pile and light it  .I've used GOEX so far that a friend gave to me and was very happy with the outcome. No hangtime to speak of. My Zouave shoots almost like a centerfire rifle in terms of hammer dropping and ignition when using GOEX. I saw the little rocks in the bottle of relabled Shockey crap and just went.   I thought it was strange that all they carried ( in loose powder) was Jim Shockey and that stuff was right next to it but was 5$ cheaper...and tons of it was on the shelf right before muzzle loader season.That's why I did my little test and figured it aint gonna light well. Well, off to Maine Powder house to spend an arm and a leg.  
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Order some real BP from Powder Inc..
The prices listed include shipping and hazmat fees. he has a 5 pound minimum order size, but that really isn't that much. You get a price break if you order more. The best thing to do is get a group buy with some friends. You can really get the price down that way. Jim |
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Quoted: Order some real BP from Powder Inc.. The prices listed include shipping and hazmat fees. he has a 5 pound minimum order size, but that really isn't that much. You get a price break if you order more. The best thing to do is get a group buy with some friends. You can really get the price down that way. Jim Thanks for the link. The only person I know who shoot's BP got an Honorable Discharge from my unit and went back to Civi life. I'll just pony up for 5 lbs though.  |
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Order some real BP from Powder Inc.. The prices listed include shipping and hazmat fees. he has a 5 pound minimum order size, but that really isn't that much. You get a price break if you order more. The best thing to do is get a group buy with some friends. You can really get the price down that way. Jim Thanks for the link. The only person I know who shoot's BP got an Honorable Discharge from my unit and went back to Civi life. I'll just pony up for 5 lbs though.
I bought 4 pounds of FFFg and one pound of FFFFg. You can mix granulations and brands. Jim |
| The hangtime issue was the main reason I switched from 777 to Goex in my percussion gun. That and misfires. The low ignition temp of black powder is what makes it so ideal for being touched off by the little flame of a cap or shower of sparks from a flinter. If you really want to feel good, wait till you get the flinter disease and the perfect storm of properly tuned lock, sharp flint, and real Goex comes together to give you faster ignition than the 209 inline gun being shot on the bench next to you. |
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The hangtime issue was the main reason I switched from 777 to Goex in my percussion gun. That and misfires. The low ignition temp of black powder is what makes it so ideal for being touched off by the little flame of a cap or shower of sparks from a flinter. If you really want to feel good, wait till you get the flinter disease and the perfect storm of properly tuned lock, sharp flint, and real Goex comes together to give you faster ignition than the 209 inline gun being shot on the bench next to you. Rock locks are addictive. I have a .40 longrifle made by Jack Garner at TVM. The rifle is beautiful. Jim |
| You lucky dog you! I would like to have a custom rifle, chambers lock and curly maple... wouldn't hurt my feelings to have one in .36 or .40 and one in .58. That's gonna be a few year down the road though, wife and baby has a way of cutting down on your gun budget! |
| I can second Powder INC. I ordered from them and received my shipment quickly. Just fill out the affidavit and fax it in prior to your order and you are good to go. They are the only BP dist I have found who will sell in 5lb orders. I ordered 2lb 2F and 3lb 3F Goex. |
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Once again, Powder Inc.
I have model artillery and that stuff has a healthy appetite for BP. I measure many of my charges in ounces, not grains. 
And I never feed them anything but the real Holy Black. I've never found a sub that was worth a crap for cannon/mortar shooting. Most don't work, period, in bores over 1" and the few times I've managed to get a decent shot with smaller bores, it didn't look, sound, or smell the same (smell is important, cannons are supposed to stink!). Now the subs do have their place, in modern in-lines that need not bear any resemblance whatsoever to real black powder weapons. These are designed specifically to take advantage of certain hunting laws (although not remotely 'primitive' in any sense of the word, they are still technically "muzzle loaders"). They are tools of convenience, with their peletized charges and saboted pistol bullets. I have no interest in them and will likely never own such a thing. If that's your bag, sorry if I offend. I wish you the best and have fun hunting. |
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Black powder is NOT corrosive, but APP is!!!
You don't say if you're using it in a cartridge gun or a front stuffer, but be sure to clean everything the powder residue touches asap after shooting. Brass, especially, corrodes quickly from this stuff. True, Holy Black is your huckleberry. Substitute powders, like APP, are a vexation to the spirit. |
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Black powder is NOT corrosive, but APP is!!! You don't say if you're using it in a cartridge gun or a front stuffer, but be sure to clean everything the powder residue touches asap after shooting. Brass, especially, corrodes quickly from this stuff. True, Holy Black is your huckleberry. Substitute powders, like APP, are a vexation to the spirit. That is a good point and something I had forgotten about. I have heard that some of the substitutes can actually attack the metal of your rifle barrel in their unburnt state. Something to do with the ammonia used to make them, if I recall correctly. Black powder does not degrade over time. It is very, very stable. I recall a tragic story of a man who had a hobby of digging up old civil war cannon balls who was killed by an explosive shell he dug up and was grinding on. A spark made it's fateful way into the powder chamber of a shell that had been buried since the 1860's, and the shell exploded, killing him. Contrast that to guys I've helped out at the range who cannot get consistent ignition of 777 pellets they bought last year. If they're lucky enough to have brought a fresh, unopened box, I always suggest they try the new ones, and I've never seen that fail to solve the problem when all factors besides powder have been eliminated. |
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Real black powder attracts moisture from the air. The moisture will get under the fouling in your barrel and cause rust.
All you have to do is clean it. Some use soapy water, some use water nearly boiling. All you need is water. Extremely hot water can help cause "flash rust", so cool or lukewarm water is better. I have no experience with substitutes. Jim |
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