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11/8/2012 9:22:34 PM EDT
I am trying to put together a load for 40 and 45 that has the least possible smoke. I right now have a decent load with plated bullets and HP38 powder. However I am looking into other powders because I think I can do a little bit better. Any suggestions?

I am currently only eyeing Hodgdon Titegroup.

Thanks!

Also anyone suggest a good powder for .223/5.56 and .308.
11/8/2012 10:09:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Hodgdon H335 works very well in both I use 43.5 gr with a CCI  200 and a 110 gr sierra HP varmint for the .308 and 25 gr with a CCI 400 and a 55 gr sierra BlitzKingfor the .223 both exceptional coyote loads.
11/9/2012 3:47:21 AM EDT
[#2]
I went from HP38 to Titegroup for 45.

I like HP38 better.  Titegroup is tiny flakes.  More of them end up at the bottom of my shop vac.  

It also eats powder hoppers.

Good powder, otherwise.
11/9/2012 6:10:59 AM EDT
[#3]
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I went from HP38 to Titegroup for 45.

I like HP38 better.  Titegroup is tiny flakes.  More of them end up at the bottom of my shop vac.  

It also eats powder hoppers.

Good powder, otherwise.


11/9/2012 6:14:06 AM EDT
[#4]
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I went from HP38 to Titegroup for 45.

I like HP38 better.  Titegroup is tiny flakes.  More of them end up at the bottom of my shop vac.  

It also eats powder hoppers.

Good powder, otherwise.




I left some in a powder hopper over night once.  It was hell getting it out.
11/9/2012 6:14:09 AM EDT
[#5]
TiteGroup is somewhat sooty/smoky IMO.


I just started using American Select for .45 ACP. I do not load .40 S&W.

It has a very low nitroglycerin content and burns nice and cool. It's amazing how much cooler my USP is after a mag of American Select loads versus the TiteGroup I had been using. It also burns very clean and no smoke at all.

The only downside is that it is a flake powder and the kernels are the size of dinner plates. In spite of that, my Autodisk meters it very well.

I really love the stuff for .45 ACP and will playing with it for low level 9mm loads shortly.
11/9/2012 6:15:18 AM EDT
[#6]
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I went from HP38 to Titegroup for 45.

I like HP38 better.  Titegroup is tiny flakes.  More of them end up at the bottom of my shop vac.  

It also eats powder hoppers.

Good powder, otherwise.




I left some in a powder hopper over night once.  It was hell getting it out.


I used to use TiteGroup for all my low level 9mm loads and my .45 ACP loads. It literally sat in my measure for months at a time. It's never eaten, corroded, or stuck to anything. Maybe it got wet?!
11/9/2012 6:20:55 AM EDT
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I went from HP38 to Titegroup for 45.

I like HP38 better.  Titegroup is tiny flakes.  More of them end up at the bottom of my shop vac.  

It also eats powder hoppers.

Good powder, otherwise.




I left some in a powder hopper over night once.  It was hell getting it out.


I used to use TiteGroup for all my low level 9mm loads and my .45 ACP loads. It literally sat in my measure for months at a time. It's never eaten, corroded, or stuck to anything. Maybe it got wet?!


Nope, it was dry.  It etched itself into my green plastic hopper.  I know others here have had the same experience.
11/9/2012 7:24:09 AM EDT
[#8]
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TiteGroup is somewhat sooty/smoky IMO.

I just started using American Select for .45 ACP. I do not load .40 S&W.

It has a very low nitroglycerin content and burns nice and cool. It's amazing how much cooler my USP is after a mag of American Select loads versus the TiteGroup I had been using. It also burns very clean and no smoke at all.

The only downside is that it is a flake powder and the kernels are the size of dinner plates. In spite of that, my Autodisk meters it very well.

I really love the stuff for .45 ACP and will playing with it for low level 9mm loads shortly.


AS might be "low" in nitro, but SINGLE BASE powder have ZERO nitro content.  They are also known for burning much cooler than high-nitro double base powders (Like Titegroup - about 37% nitro).  

Low-cost single base powders with little smoke include Solo 1000 (available at any trap/skeet range that sells reloading supplies).  Or, all of the Vihta Vouri powders are single base.  Lowest smoke possible.

11/9/2012 7:34:50 AM EDT
[#9]
Incidentally, I went looking for Solo 1000 when I bought the American Select. I couldn't find any S1000  but knowing the AS had very similar properties I went ahead and bought it. I'm very happy with it.
11/9/2012 7:42:44 AM EDT
[#10]
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Incidentally, I went looking for Solo 1000 when I bought the American Select. I couldn't find any S1000  but knowing the AS had very similar properties I went ahead and bought it. I'm very happy with it.


I've heard good things about Amselect; might give it a try with the next order.
11/9/2012 8:33:17 PM EDT
[#11]
Thank you all for the information, this has been very informative.
11/9/2012 9:57:13 PM EDT
[#12]
I have been using ramshot true blue for 9, 40 &45 as of late.  I like it a lot.  Burns clean as long as you are not loading lite.  In 45 though with 185 gr it does make a nice fireball.  I mainly started using it for everything because it works well with my 9 and 40 PCC's
11/10/2012 8:29:56 AM EDT
[#13]
I always found W231 to be one of the least smokey pistol powders and (a decent load) has low flash when fired in the dark.  I found shotgun powders like Winchester's Field and Super Field to be very smoky.

11/10/2012 10:39:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
TiteGroup is somewhat sooty/smoky IMO.


I just started using American Select for .45 ACP. I do not load .40 S&W.

It has a very low nitroglycerin content and burns nice and cool. It's amazing how much cooler my USP is after a mag of American Select loads versus the TiteGroup I had been using. It also burns very clean and no smoke at all.

The only downside is that it is a flake powder and the kernels are the size of dinner plates. In spite of that, my Autodisk meters it very well.

I really love the stuff for .45 ACP and will playing with it for low level 9mm loads shortly.


I too use American Select for cast loads in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm Luger.  I also tried some Solo 1000 for its single base burning properties.  I have found no noticeable difference in the amount smoke or other characteristics between Solo and AS.  As a matter of fact, my charge weights and velocities are nearly identical between Solo and AS.  Solo has smaller grains, but I have not had a problem throwing consistent and accurate charges of AS with my Hornady LnL powder measure.  

I chose AS because it is made in the USA and Solo is made in Spain.  

American Select has 4% nitroglycerine, FYI.

Titegroup burns HOT.  My .45 ACP brass even got an iridescent discoloring when I tried it.  It also has high density and low charge weights making spotting a double charge more difficult.  I found it very smokey with cast loads.
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