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Posted: 2/19/2017 11:24:52 PM EDT
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I have all the AR's I will ever need and I'm ready to move onto a new project. I've been reading on the practical rifle concept and I'm considering setting up a general purpose bolt action rifle.
It seems that the CZ 527 carbine is everything I'm looking for. Short, iron sights, light, detachable mag, but was looking for 308. I know they make it in 7.62x39 but I'm set with 223 ammo. Would it make more sense to get the 7.62 to have a .30 cal rifle or the .223 where I have an abundance of ammo? Any other suggestions? I've considered the Ruger Scout but any other suggestions? |
| I went with a Mossberg MVP Patrol .308. It is short, has iron sights, detachable mags (P-mags and M1A mags) and it's quite accurate so far but I admit I do reload my own ammo. I am very happy with it although others may disagree. I did have to come up with a riser for the optic because of the rear sight but it wasn't really a big deal. I know they make other models but this suited me just fine and I just don't see a reason to get a bolt gun in .223, I have AR's for that caliber. |
| Other than the ammo I also have a Leopold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5x4 scope that I wasn't satisfied with on an AR that I'm probably going to mount on what ever rifle I get. I'm hoping that the ballistics of a 16 to 18 inch barreled .223 in a bolt gun should work close enough to allow me to use the marked turrets on the scope. I know I can use the scope on whatever caliber but I would loose the ability to use the turrets. |
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Quick question: what practicality do you gain in this concept over a lightweight build or SBR AR-15? I just like the idea of a short light bolt gun to throw in the truck or beat around the woods with. I have plenty of AR's and I enjoy them and understand that they can fill any practical role I would ever need. I'm just a little bored with the platform and I'm looking for something different. I'm not looking to replace my AR's just an alternative. |
| I'm doing that very thing. Remington 788 carbine (18.5" barrel), detachable magazine (but only 3-round capacity), in 7mm08. In the process of lightening the stock and bedding. They also come in 222 rem. 223?, 243 and 308. The ones in 30-30 and 44 magnum are pretty rare and a bit spendy. They will often shoot sub-MOA. Timney makes a replacement trigger (that's what I have). |
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Absolutely nothing, just another gun to carry, shoot and enjoy. I just like the idea of a short light bolt gun to throw in the truck or beat around the woods with. I have plenty of AR's and I enjoy them and understand that they can fill any practical role I would ever need. I'm just a little bored with the platform and I'm looking for something different. I'm not looking to replace my AR's just an alternative. Quoted:
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Quick question: what practicality do you gain in this concept over a lightweight build or SBR AR-15? I just like the idea of a short light bolt gun to throw in the truck or beat around the woods with. I have plenty of AR's and I enjoy them and understand that they can fill any practical role I would ever need. I'm just a little bored with the platform and I'm looking for something different. I'm not looking to replace my AR's just an alternative. |
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I have a Savage Hog Hunter in 308 that's almost perfect for me.
Fitted it with a Williams peep sight at the rear scope mount holes, removed the factory rear sight. Added a weaver scope base at the front of the receiver and put a rds sight. Also put a A2 flash hider and some Grove Tech QD sling cups. One thing I don't love is the Savage inline Mag. Most likely it's my fingers not working so well but I have issues loading the Mag. But I live with it. It's short, accurate, quick to the shoulder and the FH makes it easy to shoot. Slings well and it's not too heavy. It's a rifle I'd take anywhere in North America. |
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based on your reply id say 308 Quoted:
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Quick question: what practicality do you gain in this concept over a lightweight build or SBR AR-15? I just like the idea of a short light bolt gun to throw in the truck or beat around the woods with. I have plenty of AR's and I enjoy them and understand that they can fill any practical role I would ever need. I'm just a little bored with the platform and I'm looking for something different. I'm not looking to replace my AR's just an alternative. |
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I have all the AR's I will ever need and I'm ready to move onto a new project. I've been reading on the practical rifle concept and I'm considering setting up a general purpose bolt action rifle. It seems that the CZ 527 carbine is everything I'm looking for. Short, iron sights, light, detachable mag, but was looking for 308. I know they make it in 7.62x39 but I'm set with 223 ammo. Would it make more sense to get the 7.62 to have a .30 cal rifle or the .223 where I have an abundance of ammo? Any other suggestions? I've considered the Ruger Scout but any other suggestions? Howa scout .308 
Mossberg Thunder Ranch .308/ 7.62 NATO 
Howa Mini action .223 
Mossberg Thunder Ranch .223 / 5.56 NATO 
Iron sights can be added to the Howa Mini action. Howa Mini and Mossberg 5.56 are both small actions scaled proportionately to match the 5.56 round. Your best option is to go to hit the fun shops and gun shows to see what you like best. |
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I found a used 527 in 223 today in good shape for $550, I might try and pick it up this weekend. I've almost talked myself into a Ruger American Ranch, it fits my needs except for the iron sights. *Edit* looks like 1:9 |
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What kind of twist rate on the barrel? It might matter depending on what bullets you like. that's the biggest thing with .223. it can be a decent option if it has a 1:8 or faster barrel. any less and it's rendered to varmint duty. (I'm not a big fan of the sub 70 class bullets aside from the tbbc and 62 bonded but those still are sub 300yd use in my opinion) |
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Here is my practical bolt gun. It weighs 11lbs 4oz as pictured with an empty mag.
Tikka T3 CTR w/ a T3x stock in 308Win Bushnell LRTSi 3-12x44mm scope in a Nightforce 1.125" Unimount Harris 6-9" SBRM Bipod TIS Slip Cuff sling 10rd CTR/TRG22 magazines Triad Tactical stock pad It is hard to say no to the CTR when you can find the T3 for $767 and the T3x for $885. 
Here is my less practical 17lb 2oz AI AT. 
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. Now to find a nice set of 1 inch qd rings.
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I have all the AR's I will ever need and I'm ready to move onto a new project. I've been reading on the practical rifle concept and I'm considering setting up a general purpose bolt action rifle. It seems that the CZ 527 carbine is everything I'm looking for. Short, iron sights, light, detachable mag, but was looking for 308. I know they make it in 7.62x39 but I'm set with 223 ammo. Would it make more sense to get the 7.62 to have a .30 cal rifle or the .223 where I have an abundance of ammo? Any other suggestions? I've considered the Ruger Scout but any other suggestions? Does your GP rifle have to be a bolt-action? Just asking ... Reason is, I'd thought about defaulting to the bolt set-up before re-thinking it. A handy carbine/short rifle that was a non-AR semi-auto with a military origin seemed to make more sense for what I'd likely use it for. A brush gun for hunting, which could double as a truck gun. If you omit the T-37 flash hider, the 7.62/.308 Mini-G below sports a 16.1" barrel. The forwarded-mounted Scout scope doesn't obstruct use of 8- or 5-rd (hunting) clips. 
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I guess I forgot to add pics
Attached File I had a chance to sight it in last weekend, easily shot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with american eagle 55 grain. The set trigger makes a huge difference. Now to get some QD rings. |
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Does your GP rifle have to be a bolt-action? Just asking ... Reason is, I'd thought about defaulting to the bolt set-up before re-thinking it. A handy carbine/short rifle that was a non-AR semi-auto with a military origin seemed to make more sense for what I'd likely use it for. A brush gun for hunting, which could double as a truck gun. If you omit the T-37 flash hider, the 7.62/.308 Mini-G below sports a 16.1" barrel. The forwarded-mounted Scout scope doesn't obstruct use of 8- or 5-rd (hunting) clips. That is a handy looking carbine! What does something like that run without the optic? |
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That is a handy looking carbine! What does something like that run without the optic? Quoted:
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Does your GP rifle have to be a bolt-action? Just asking ... Reason is, I'd thought about defaulting to the bolt set-up before re-thinking it. A handy carbine/short rifle that was a non-AR semi-auto with a military origin seemed to make more sense for what I'd likely use it for. A brush gun for hunting, which could double as a truck gun. If you omit the T-37 flash hider, the 7.62/.308 Mini-G below sports a 16.1" barrel. The forwarded-mounted Scout scope doesn't obstruct use of 8- or 5-rd (hunting) clips. That is a handy looking carbine! What does something like that run without the optic? Schuff's Mini-G ... If you've got a "donor" M1 and you stick with the original '06 barrel, the base conversion from a full-size Garand to a 16.1" Mini-G costs about $750. The one above, however, was re-barreled with a Criterion 7.62/.308 barrel, which is very accurate, so add another $200. Then add whatever for the Ultimak forward Scout Rail. I got the Ultimak unit when Brownells was running a sale, and Schuff mounted it when he did the conversion. About 8-months later, I took it to a rifle class where, among other drills, we shot on 10" steel poppers at 300yds. I had no problem dinging those all afternoon long. You just have to get use to how the scope is set-up, and break out of your natural familiarity with a receiver-mounted optic. I have another Mini-G that I kept in '06 with no forward rail mount - iron sights only. Light(er) and handy, but the 7.62 Mini-G above with the Burris 2.75x Scout scope gives you more precision at distance. This irons-only '06 isn't not mine, but mine looks similar, ... just FYI: 
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