Armory Sponsor
Posted: 7/12/2017 11:10:58 AM EDT
|
I need a can to share duty on a JP LRP-07 in 7.62 and a 6.5 bolt gun. I'm eyeing the Sandman-L. However, if precision is my No.1 priority, should I go with a direct thread can in lieu of the QD variety?
I've also read some really good things about the Omega on precision rifles. So, that is also a possible option as my Octane 9 has been great. But then again, I'm also thrilled with my Mask. Any input welcome. |
|
Quoted:
I have a thunderbeast for my 30 caliber rifles.  Super light, repeatable |
| A threadmount can getting loose would be the worst thing possible for precision. My bolt action is a mile long already, so the can has to come on and off for transport/storage vs. shooting. For a hunting only can, I think threadmount is fine. But for a precision rifle can, I think QD has a lot of advantages. |
|
Quoted:
I believe direct thread will be more consistent. Â Quoted:
I believe direct thread will be more consistent. Â  TBAC 6.5 ULTRA 7 Long-range repeatability and accuracy  Repeatability Test - TBAC Ultra 7 Suppressor Quoted:
I'm a big fan of direct thread for more precision oriented tasks. Omega, sandman Ti, Q trash panda or thunder chicken, Thunderbeast....  The Full and Half Nelson are direct thread.
|
|
Quoted:
I'm a big fan of direct thread for more precision oriented tasks. Omega, sandman Ti, Q trash panda or thunder chicken, Thunderbeast.... Hansohn to the answer, beat me before I could even get the question typed in. Thanks!! |
|
Quoted:
Hansohn to the answer, beat me before I could even as the question. Thanks!! |
|
Quoted:
Super happy with my Sandman L. It's ridiculous overkill for a bolt action. I love overkill. 
http://i.imgur.com/w85XvBi.jpg I'd love to hear more about your experiences with the Sandman. Any noticeable change in accuracy (up or down)? Is on and off repeatable? Happy with the sound reduction? |
|
Quoted:
Fantastic looking rifle. I'd love to hear more about your experiences with the Sandman. Any noticeable change in accuracy (up or down)? Is on and off repeatable? Happy with the sound reduction? Quoted:
Quoted:
Super happy with my Sandman L. It's ridiculous overkill for a bolt action. I love overkill.
http://i.imgur.com/w85XvBi.jpg I'd love to hear more about your experiences with the Sandman. Any noticeable change in accuracy (up or down)? Is on and off repeatable? Happy with the sound reduction? The sound reduction is excellent, as expected for a can as long as the Sandman. I previously used my SDN-6 on this rifle, and by comparison I feel that the Sandman L has better sound and recoil reduction. Most importantly, the can goes on the mount exactly the same way every time because it can only index in one place. The Sandman L isn't necessarily the end-all be-all of precision rifle cans - I'm sure you would be well served by a number of different cans on the market. But if you're already looking at the Sandman, I have nothing bad to say about it, including customer service. |
|
Quoted:
Thanks! I only shoot with the can, so I couldn't tell you about any on/off POI shift, but every time I take it shooting it POI is exactly the same. The sound reduction is excellent, as expected for a can as long as the Sandman. I previously used my SDN-6 on this rifle, and by comparison I feel that the Sandman L has better sound and recoil reduction. Most importantly, the can goes on the mount exactly the same way every time because it can only index in one place. The Sandman L isn't necessarily the end-all be-all of precision rifle cans - I'm sure you would be well served by a number of different cans on the market. But if you're already looking at the Sandman, I have nothing bad to say about it, including customer service. |
|
I've said this in a few threads, but the SiCo Hybrid with ASR brake mount has been rock solid for me on the precision rifles. Always same POI, accuracy is phenomenal, and larger size makes the sound reduction crazy good, even with the .46 cal end cap. I really didn't expect this when I bought it.
I have a nice MackBros 7.62 and the Hybrid, and the Hybrid is my go-to. Regardless, do what the previous posters are saying, and don't direct thread. Use a known taper-type mount. Reliable and repeatable. No coming off. |
|
Again, my thanks to everyone for chiming in.
I got a call yesterday from Rod at Dead Air in response to me asking DA the same question I posted here. We had a very pleasant conversation and I really appreciated the phone call versus an email response. In any event, as most others have noted and for the same reasons, the QD taper mount was strongly recommended over direct thread. Also, not that it was necessarily part of this discussion, but I also asked him about brake vs flash suppressor. He told me it is all personal preference and will make no difference whatsoever. Now, I just need to decide whether I sick with my original plan and get a Sandman-L or give the Ultra 9 a shot. Decisions, decisions, decisions..... |
|
I don't really recommend a thread-on can for precision rifle work. You'll be shooting fine and then suddenly you'll have flyers. That's because the can lost torque on the barrel.
The Sandman QD system was designed up front for super solid and repeatable lockup. The trick to precision shooting is to keep things consistent and that's what it does. The baffles are also designed to be "low push" so there's less effect on the bullet to further help with point of impact change. You'll always have some because of the harmonic effect of any mass hung on the end of the barrel, but the internal flow effects are minimized with the Sandman. --Todd Magee Engineering and what-not at Dead Air |
|
Quoted:
I don't really recommend a thread-on can for precision rifle work. You'll be shooting fine and then suddenly you'll have flyers. That's because the can lost torque on the barrel. The Sandman QD system was designed up front for super solid and repeatable lockup. The trick to precision shooting is to keep things consistent and that's what it does. The baffles are also designed to be "low push" so there's less effect on the bullet to further help with point of impact change. You'll always have some because of the harmonic effect of any mass hung on the end of the barrel, but the internal flow effects are minimized with the Sandman. --Todd Magee Engineering and what-not at Dead Air
On a serious note, thanks, Todd. I appreciate the technical input. I took the plunge today...for both an L and a K. Now the wait begins. Having a presence on this board and getting a call from a real life human being in response to a question I submitted on-line were significant points in your favor. That my Mask kicks-ass didn't hurt either. |
|
Quoted:
Is "super solid" kind of like super precision...only for suppressors?
On a serious note, thanks, Todd. I appreciate the technical input. I took the plunge today...for both an L and a K. Now the wait begins. Having a presence on this board and getting a call from a real life human being in response to a question I submitted on-line were significant points in your favor. That my Mask kicks-ass didn't hurt either. |
| The usual answer is Thunderbeast, but at present I have one centerfire can do I use what I have. My Sandman S seems to work fine, both suppressed and unsuppressed groups look the same, sometimes the suppressed seems a hair tighter but I've never measured it. When detaching/reattaching the shift is absolutely repeatable and small (mine shifts .3 mil down with it on, presumably just from the weight on the end of the barrel). I don't know if a competing suppressor would do better, but I don't know how it could be much better than my experience with the Sandman as it works perfectly for me. |
Armory Sponsor