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Posted: 7/27/2006 6:30:29 PM EDT
| I've been looking real hard at getting a scout. What is the purpose of your Scouts? Do you use them for classes, home defense, bench, etc..... |
H2O man, you've probably answered this a million times, but how does the weight compare with a standard USGI synthetic stock? |
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H20 Thats a sweet looking Carbine. Is that a LAW483 stock? I'm considering getting a LRB, but I keep questioning is it worth 2K. I'm selling off most of my firearms and keeping just a few different platforms. The M1A always seemed rock solid. I sold my SA M1A standard a few years ago. I really enjoyed that rifle. |
It is just a few ounces heavier than a Springfield Scout. Scout Squad specification per Springfield Armory web site: Fiberglass: 9 lbs. (without scope) Walnut: 9.3 lbs. (without scope) My Hybrid weighs 9 lbs. 10 oz. (without scope)
I had a LAW483 short LOP stock and found it was a little to short and heavy for me. The ROOSTER33 cheek rest is heavy and bulky - I have a lighter version in the works. I sold off the LAW483 buttstock and bolted the full length HOGUE onto the SAGE myself. I understand what you are saying about the $2K that is one of the reasons I went with another SEI build. That and I didn't want to wait and wait for an LRB receiver. You can read more about the Hybrid HERE HTH ~ |
Yes you can easily swap buttstocks, but getting the buttstock you want is another story. This situation may change soon. The stock pictured above started out as a CA legal fixed stock Chop Mod. I had to massage the Hogue slightly to fit the thick aluminum SAGE sling loop. I used a new bolt, washer and lock nut to secure it. It is rock solid. |
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Scroll down a bit in this link:www.steyrscout.org/project.htm, and you will see what the definition of a Scout rifle actually is. What is pictured above, be it good or bad, does not meet the definition, or even come close. |
This is the M1/M1A forum. He was clearly referencing the rifle marketed by Springfield as the 'Scout.' Your 'scout' is what it is, the Springfield Scout is what it is. |
No offense, but words mean things. If we're going to talk about things, let's agree to use the correct language, at least. Springfield is incorrect in calling their version of this rifle a "Scout", plain and simple. "Pseudo-Scout" would be correct, but lacks sales cachet. You wouldn't call an AR-15 mag a "clip", would you? Let's not make the same sort of mistake here. |
 So why don't you take that up with Springfield?The fact is: Scout, Bush, Tanker, Socom, Standard, etc... are all part of the accepted lexicon here in the M1/M1A forum ~ get used to it. |
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Not to split hairs but the technical term for it is the "Scout Squad"... The forward mounted rail is what gives it the Scout moniker no doubt. Either way... as my grandpa told my dad when he was a kid and what my dad told me when I was a kid whenever I bugged him with a "Why is it called that?" question, "Every baby has to have a name" |
Agreed, and i don't want to belabor the point, but were you honestly confused as to what rifle AIRBORNE5697 was asking about? A bolt action 30cal rifle, or the 18" forward railed rifle by Springfield, Armory? I understand your interest in keeping everyone's concepts clear, and that's why i responded with this, with emphasis on the red letters:
I thought against typing this response, as we've hijacked the thread, but i couldn't help myself. Sorry AIRBORNE. On topic--my first M1A was a Springfield Scout Squad (TM). I liked it so much more than the 22" standard, as it was shorter, seemingly more compact, and I felt it balanced well.I personally saw no need for the forward mount, and sold it and the black crinkle stock for more mags and a Fred's synthetic. I considered it my do everything, go to stick, similar to H2O-MAN. I never got to take it through a class. Unfortunately, my brother somehow ended up with it, and it now wears a 12" LOP stock by Law483. very nice, very compact. I think it was QuinlanLV that has one with a similar stock and Vortex set up. |
You know what really bothers me about this? Show me a military a personelle that has used that type of rifle (scout) as by your definition. We have all kinds of SCOUT / snipers that would not even touch a rifle like that. And on top of that, the springfield SCOUT, is not all that far off of your definition. It's a little heavier (not to argue with h20 man but I bet a scout doesn't weight that much), the barrel is 1" shorter and the overall length might not be right. Who give a fricking rip? The term "scout" was dubbed by one man at one time. Yes a very influential man. So now springfield, who are also very influential has dubbed their rifle that is pretty close to his specs, a scout. I don't see a problem here. We all have to follow Mr. Coopers rules? h20 man, the reason I say that I don't think it weighs that much is this. I know what my garand is. And that spec is 9.8 lbs. I've never weighed it. But a Standard, like say our poly's or a standard springfield, is considerably lighter. You can just feel it. I'm guessing more than a pound. In my NRA mag a while back, the spec for an M14 unloaded was 8.3333333333 lbs. If a scout, springfield that is, has a standard weight barrel. I'm betting it's in this neigborhood more. You lost a little bit of steal and I swear those fiberglass stocks are even lighter than the wood. Who here wants to prove my point? I don't have a scout and I don't have a scale. I could be wrong but that's my 2 cents on all this. |
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M14/M1A + "Bush" / "Scout" / "Mk14 Mod 0" = 18.0" barrel. A shorter, slightly lighter version of the standard MBR no matter what name you give it. The 18.0" version of the M14 type rifle is my favorite 
I have a nice digital scale and the Springfield Scout does weigh that much. Also, the fiberglass stock is about 0.3 pounds lighter than walnut. HTH ~ |
I have seen photos of Steyr Scout rifles in use during the conflict in Kosovo. I believe this was in SOF mag, but I could be mistaken. From "Cooper's Commentaries", Vol 6, No. 13: "We suppose you all saw that news photograph of the Steyr Scout on active duty in Kosovo. We tried to find out how it got there, but the silence is deafening. It is interesting to note that the high cost of the SS rifle did not keep it out of the hands of these ragged freedom fighters. Money does not seem to be their principal problem. One of the our European friends pointed out that the SS rifle is a "sporting rifle." I guess that depends on one's definition of sport. The Albanians may hold that Serb-shooting is a very popular sport in their neck of the woods."
I think when it comes down to his concept, tested and refined over years, and promoted for years after that, then, yes, I do think you owe him the courtesy of getting it right. All this is aside from one's using the correct terminology, which is, again, the right thing to do.
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Why don't we just have a sub-forum devoted to his concept? BTW, have you seen the SUPER SCOUT Fulton Armory is now selling 
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May need to someday, when enough people catch on.
Yep. This is something most owners of existing M1As can do for themselves. Solves a lot of the problems of scoping an M1A, a somewhat difficult task to do properly. A step in the right direction. |
IMHO, the original Scout Concept would not be as well known today if it were not for the Springfield Scout Squad. raf, you are doing a good thing by keeping the concept honest and alive. |
I'll be dog goned. How much did your poly weigh before you put that rail on it? Did you weigh it then? |
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