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Posted: 12/2/2008 1:48:15 PM EDT
| Can you load a 45 apc bullet in a 45 colt long without danger to me or the pistol? For use in a colt peacemaker. |
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Can you load a 45 apc bullet in a 45 colt long without danger to me or the pistol? For use in a colt peacemaker. Basically yes. But how old is the Colt? I believe Colt changed the barrels from .454 diam to .451-.452 in the early 1940's. Either way .45 ACP bullet should be about .451 to .452 diam. if your Colt has the old .454 diam barrel it may not be accurate with the smaller bullets. If you shoot cast lead bullets it will probably lead very badly if the barrel is .454. If you have a newer Colt it will shoot fine with the .451/.452 Bullets. G |
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Can you load a 45 apc bullet in a 45 colt long without danger to me or the pistol? For use in a colt peacemaker. Basically yes. But how old is the Colt? I believe Colt changed the barrels from .454 diam to .451-.452 in the early 1940's. Either way .45 ACP bullet should be about .451 to .452 diam. if your Colt has the old .454 diam barrel it may not be accurate with the smaller bullets. If you shoot cast lead bullets it will probably lead very badly if the barrel is .454. If you have a newer Colt it will shoot fine with the .451/.452 Bullets. G The colt is form the late 1800's. I have no idea what size the barrel is. I just know it shoots 45 longs cowboy action loads. My great grandfather used it in the spanish american war. |
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According to all of my information it should have a .454 bore, it is probably a black powder model, so I would take it easy on the reloads, it is not safe to use with higher pressure loads. Depending on the condition and type, it may be way to valuable to shoot regularly. Have you had it checked by a gunsmith?
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According to all of my information it should have a .454 bore, it is probably a black powder model, so I would take it easy on the reloads, it is not safe to use with higher pressure loads. Depending on the condition and type, it may be way to valuable to shoot regularly. Have you had it checked by a gunsmith? G Yeah its way valuable  . But I would never sell it so why not shoot it. I use low pressure loads, cowboy, but they cost alot so I wanted to load my own. Its not black powder.
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That's pretty much my feelings also, I dont own anything I cant shoot. As to your reloads, for best accuracy, you probably need some cast lead bullets .454 or possibly .455 in diameter. They may be a little hard to find these days. I would not use jacketed bullets as the steel in the barrels of these old Colts is not as good as modern pistols and jacketed bullets may wear the barrel faster than cast lead. I would use Trail Boss powder as it is bulky and is very accurate in my .45 Colt. I also use a lot of Unique, but you have load light for old Colts. Is your Colt accurate? Many of these old Colts are amazingly accurate if the barrels are in good condition and the bullets are sized correctly.
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According to all of my information it should have a .454 bore, it is probably a black powder model, so I would take it easy on the reloads, it is not safe to use with higher pressure loads. Depending on the condition and type, it may be way to valuable to shoot regularly. Have you had it checked by a gunsmith? G Yeah its way valuable . But I would never sell it so why not shoot it. I use low pressure loads, cowboy, but they cost alot so I wanted to load my own. Its not black powder.G |
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Have your bore slugged if its .454 this guy may have some.
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,23847.0.html .45 215gr SWC .454" 1000rd $50.00 /1500 rds shipped total=84.80 This guy can make a few different ones also, in .452 to 454 just have to request it by email if you can get and order in he's been pretty swamped. Good prices though. http://gardnerscache.com/cast_pistol_bullets.html |
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That's pretty much my feelings also, I dont own anything I cant shoot. As to your reloads, for best accuracy, you probably need some cast lead bullets .454 or possibly .455 in diameter. They may be a little hard to find these days. I would not use jacketed bullets as the steel in the barrels of these old Colts is not as good as modern pistols and jacketed bullets may wear the barrel faster than cast lead. I would use Trail Boss powder as it is bulky and is very accurate in my .45 Colt. I also use a lot of Unique, but you have load light for old Colts. Is your Colt accurate? Many of these old Colts are amazingly accurate if the barrels are in good condition and the bullets are sized correctly.
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According to all of my information it should have a .454 bore, it is probably a black powder model, so I would take it easy on the reloads, it is not safe to use with higher pressure loads. Depending on the condition and type, it may be way to valuable to shoot regularly. Have you had it checked by a gunsmith? G Yeah its way valuable . But I would never sell it so why not shoot it. I use low pressure loads, cowboy, but they cost alot so I wanted to load my own. Its not black powder.G Its really hard to tell if its accurate because its so hard to aim. Because,there is no rear site and no grove in the hammer to line up with the front site. I haven't bench shot it. |
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the first colt certified for smokeless powder is serial # 192,000 in 1900. If yours is earlier it's black powder. Yeah mine has a serial #1196xx so I guess it is black powder. It has patent dates of 1871 and 1875. So is this any help to determin the bullet size. |
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Can you load a 45 apc bullet in a 45 colt long without danger to me or the pistol? For use in a colt peacemaker. Basically yes. But how old is the Colt? I believe Colt changed the barrels from .454 diam to .451-.452 in the early 1940's. Either way .45 ACP bullet should be about .451 to .452 diam. if your Colt has the old .454 diam barrel it may not be accurate with the smaller bullets. If you shoot cast lead bullets it will probably lead very badly if the barrel is .454. If you have a newer Colt it will shoot fine with the .451/.452 Bullets. G The colt is form the late 1800's. I have no idea what size the barrel is. I just know it shoots 45 longs cowboy action loads. My great grandfather used it in the spanish american war. black powder only!! |
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If I had my great grandfather's war pistol, I don't think I'd be shooting it, especially if it was hard to aim.
I'd put it, preserved with great respect, on the wall, and wear something else out. Maybe it will be easier to hit with the new unit, but at least your family heirloom won't be damaged/worn out. You might not think much of it, but your kids or grandkids might be of a different mind. Shame on you to leave them an historical family piece in worse shape than when you got it. |
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If I had my great grandfather's war pistol, I don't think I'd be shooting it, especially if it was hard to aim. I'd put it, preserved with great respect, on the wall, and wear something else out. Maybe it will be easier to hit with the new unit, but at least your family heirloom won't be damaged/worn out. You might not think much of it, but your kids or grandkids might be of a different mind. Shame on you to leave them an historical family piece in worse shape than when you got it. Don't interject common sense here. Let him blow up a family heirloom by shooting it with ammo it was never designed for. |
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If I had my great grandfather's war pistol, I don't think I'd be shooting it, especially if it was hard to aim. I'd put it, preserved with great respect, on the wall, and wear something else out. Maybe it will be easier to hit with the new unit, but at least your family heirloom won't be damaged/worn out. You might not think much of it, but your kids or grandkids might be of a different mind. Shame on you to leave them an historical family piece in worse shape than when you got it. Don't interject common sense here. Let him blow up a family heirloom by shooting it with ammo it was never designed for. +1 Stay with the subsonic loads and lubed cast lead bullets, please. |
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If I had my great grandfather's war pistol, I don't think I'd be shooting it, especially if it was hard to aim. I'd put it, preserved with great respect, on the wall, and wear something else out. Maybe it will be easier to hit with the new unit, but at least your family heirloom won't be damaged/worn out. You might not think much of it, but your kids or grandkids might be of a different mind. Shame on you to leave them an historical family piece in worse shape than when you got it. Well it was a real POS when I got it and it took $2500 worth of parts and time to restore it. Yeah I could put it on my wall and look at it. But that would be about as much fun as looking at it on someone elses wall or a pic of it on my computer. And it not like I go to the range and run 1000 rounds threw it. Plus it would look just as good on the wall if it didn't function. Like I said I would never sell it. Quoted:
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If I had my great grandfather's war pistol, I don't think I'd be shooting it, especially if it was hard to aim. I'd put it, preserved with great respect, on the wall, and wear something else out. Maybe it will be easier to hit with the new unit, but at least your family heirloom won't be damaged/worn out. You might not think much of it, but your kids or grandkids might be of a different mind. Shame on you to leave them an historical family piece in worse shape than when you got it. Don't interject common sense here. Let him blow up a family heirloom by shooting it with ammo it was never designed for. And wow yo you totaly missed the point of this thread all together. Maybe you should read the first question before you reply to a post. |
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