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Posted: 8/23/2014 8:36:12 PM EDT
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Getting ready to pick up a new Tavor but am wondering a few things.
First, I am wondering if I should spend the extra money and go the Tavor/Mepro reflix route and or just buy the standard version. Is the Mepro a good sight worth the extra coin or would I be better off just buying the flat top model and putting an Aimpoint on it later on? And secondly are the triggers really as bad as people say they are? TIA. |
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Nothing wrong with the Mepro optic, but I say get the flat top version so you have the flexibility to use any optic you want.
The trigger from the factory is heavy but it's no worse than any of the other bullpups on the market. The good news is that the Tavor probably has the easiest trigger replacement of any firearm ever and aftermarket options are already available. |
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Quoted: How does Mepro quality stack up against brands like Aimpoint and EOTech? Are they on par? Until the Tavor came out I never heard of them. Like the Tavor, Israeli battle tested! "Mepro TRU-DOT RDS’s battery life is now 15,000-18,000 hours on maximum brightness from a single lithium AA battery. That’s further extended by a motion sensor activated power saving mode." Beats the heck out of my EOtech battery life by miles. |
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+1 to the flat top so you can use whatever.
I took the reset spring out of mine before I fired the first shot. After zeroing/breaking it in with 180 rds, I ran it through a local 3 gun competition in slightly muddy conditions. Ran perfectly, and I got 13th out of 30, which I was more than satisfied with. |
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How does Mepro quality stack up against brands like Aimpoint and EOTech? Are they on par? Until the Tavor came out I never heard of them. Meprolight has been around longer than EOTech and just as long maybe a little longer than Aimpoint. It is good quality military grade stuff. I went back and forth over this question as well and finally decided to go with the FT version. Even if you add the Mepro sight, you will have more options I think the FT model is slightly sexier as well 
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Putting on the kill flash helped quite a bit on mine. Quoted:
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I have a rail Tavor and ended up with the Mepro 21 on top (the X reticle). I like it because it does not need batteries and it is always on, however it does have some washout issues. Putting on the kill flash helped quite a bit on mine. Where'd you get a killflash for it? |
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The stock Tavor trigger is horrible. "Not as bad as other bullpups" is hardly praise! :)
I'm still waiting for the Israeli consul here to provide me with an IDF issue Tavor for test firing. I can't believe IDF would subject their soldiers to such a horrible trigger. -- Chuck |
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I have fired the issue Tavor, I noticed no difference. I fire my Tavor right next to friends with their ARs and aftermarket triggers, yet I routinely score higher than they do.
Also, I work in the gun industry. I came to the conclusion long ago that the American mentality, in regards to trigger pull, can be summed up to this: "They don't want anything heavier than 2-3 lbs and they don't want to move their finger more than a few millimeters". Stock AR triggers are just fine, as are stock Glock triggers as well. Yet, I sell and install several aftermarket triggers for both of these weapons on a regular basis. The SIG P250 pretty much failed out of the gate based on its DAO trigger, and even though I hate the gun on general grounds, the trigger is just fine to me. Of course, this is just my opinion, I could be wrong. |
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Call me a traditionalist (I'm really an old infantryman) but I'd have been happy if the Tavor matched the USGI spec for my M4 carbine (and M1 and M14 rifles) at maybe 6 pounds. 12+ pounds is criminal.
An expert shooter can usually outshoot most of us regardless of the rifle or trigger. The Shooting Sight Tav-D trigger that now resides in my Tavor is the only thing that has kept this rifle off the Equipment Exchange. 
-- Chuck |
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If you compare the stock Tavor trigger to a single stage Timney AR-15 trigger then you will be of the opinion that the "trigger sucks."
If you compare the stock Tavor trigger to something that isn't irrelevant, like, say, other fucking bullpups, then the trigger is excellent. If you compare the stock Tavor trigger to itself it is good. It's kind of like a Honda Accord. If you compare it to a Ferrari then it doesn't measure up and it "sucks." If you compare it to a Model T or a horse then it is absolutely amazing. If you judge it on it's own merits then it is a pretty good piece of machinery. I will be getting a ShootingSight TAV-D aftermarket trigger eventually, but that isn't out of necessity to "fix" something that I irrationally perceive to be "wrong." I simply prefer lighter trigger pulls than the standard trigger provides. The stock 5.5lb trigger on a Glock is great but some people prefer to replace it with a 2 lb trigger because of personal preference but it doesn't make the original trigger "bad" by any measure. |
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If you compare the stock Tavor trigger to a single stage Timney AR-15 trigger then you will be of the opinion that the "trigger sucks." If you compare the stock Tavor trigger to something that isn't irrelevant, like, say, other fucking bullpups, then the trigger is excellent. If you compare the stock Tavor trigger to itself it is good. It's kind of like a Honda Accord. If you compare it to a Ferrari then it doesn't measure up and it "sucks." If you compare it to a Model T or a horse then it is absolutely amazing. If you judge it on it's own merits then it is a pretty good piece of machinery. I will be getting a ShootingSight TAV-D aftermarket trigger eventually, but that isn't out of necessity to "fix" something that I irrationally perceive to be "wrong." I simply prefer lighter trigger pulls than the standard trigger provides. The stock 5.5lb trigger on a Glock is great but some people prefer to replace it with a 2 lb trigger because of personal preference but it doesn't make the original trigger "bad" by any measure. I agree completely. Compared to an AUG or FS2000 trigger, the Tavor's feels amazing. It's a damn good trigger actually, it's just heavy. Most of the rest of the world doesn't get whiney about something like a 12lb trigger pull on a combat rifle. The much lauded FAL that is one of the best guns ever made has a shitty, heavy trigger that's much worse than the Tavor's. |
| I got my Tavor used, the original owner pulled out that one trigger spring everyone is talking about pulling that might cause light primer strikes. No light primer strikes and for a bullpup I thought the trigger was fantastic. I have an MSAR and it is loads better. |
If you compare the factory Tavor trigger to anything exotic -- say, the typical out of the box AR15  -- the Tavor trigger sucks. Why apologize for a terrible trigger? It's horrible in stock form. I find (found) myself constantly checking if the safety was on. Sucks less than "other bullpups" is not praise.
IWI added a secondary spring to cure problems with trigger reset. Removing it cuts a couple of pounds off the trigger and has nothing to do with how the hammer functions so failures to fire have nothing to do with this spring. Keep it clean and reset should not be a problem but it's still a 9 pound trigger. With potential reset problems. First aftermarket trigger was Timney. Wonderful 4.5 pound "service" trigger. Failed to shoot military ball ammunition (M855 Ball) reliably. Timney sent different springs and eventually refunded my money. Tav-D trigger seems reliable but has only been available for a couple of months. -- Chuck |
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I got my Tavor used, the original owner pulled out that one trigger spring everyone is talking about pulling that might cause light primer strikes. No light primer strikes and for a bullpup I thought the trigger was fantastic. I have an MSAR and it is loads better. MSAR is better, or TAVOR is better? I shoot my msar fine, I don't notice anything but haven't shot my TAVOR yet. |
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I am using an Aimpoint M4 on mine. No, the triggers are not bad. I even have a stock trigger pack as a backup. I will take a stock Tavor trigger over the highly overrated HK trigger systems (MP5, G3, HK91, HK94, etc). http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/FDE_Tavor_4.JPG I have a VORTEX SPARC on mine. I really like the compactness. At some point, I may consider putting an Aimpoint PRO or a Mepro on it, but there is no need to right now. As far as the TAVOR trigger is concerned, I have no problem with it. I can even transition from an AR to the TAVOR with out any problem. You just adjust and get use to it. 
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