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Posted: 3/20/2012 1:38:16 PM EDT
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I have heard that people through a trust or something like that can purchase and use a suppressor jointly. Is this true in Texas and if so how do you go about doing this or where can I find the clear cut laws about it? From my understanding, if a father and son were both hunting together then the other can use it under supervision but what about if they wern't both present?
ex) A father and son buying a suppressor together and then them both being able to use it on their own. |
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Ok so what would you have to carry on your person while using the suppressor, just a small card of the NFA approved item with the trust name?
If I were to set up a simple trust with the quicken program which I have seen on M4carbine.net, is the wait time for approval about the same as an individual applying? |
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Ok so what would you have to carry on your person while using the suppressor, just a small card of the NFA approved item with the trust name? If I were to set up a simple trust with the quicken program which I have seen on M4carbine.net, is the wait time for approval about the same as an individual applying? Most people use a laminated reduced size copy of the original paperwork returned by the BATFE with a stamp on it. As a general rule, cops are cool this setup. You just need to be able to produce the original at some point to prove it ain't fake. |
| Yes, Im in South Texas. When you say reasonable do you mean around $500 because this is the figure I have been coming up with in internet research? And to me while $500 may be reasonable, I cannot really afford that on my budget with a suppressor and tax stamp in the near future. |
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Yes, Im in South Texas. When you say reasonable do you mean around $500 because this is the figure I have been coming up with in internet research? And to me while $500 may be reasonable, I cannot really afford that on my budget with a suppressor and tax stamp in the near future. A lawyer prepped trust is far far more likely to stand up to BATFE scrutiny than a Quicken Trust. |
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Ok thanks guys. This is turning into alot of paper work to buy a freaking piece of metal!!! That "freaking piece of metal" is one of your fastest tickets to Club Fed or atleast loosing your gun rights forever! If or when your legal documents are ever questioned it should be obvious a law firm representing their work product and you as a client for no additional cost! Yes you can use legal zoom, Quicken Will Maker, etc. to setup a trust to acquire NFA items, but guess who pays for representation then? And it won't be $299!!! I'm not affiliated with Texas Law Shield in any capacity other than a client. Use an attorney familiar with NFA Trusts!!! |
| O I'm not doing anything on my own thats for sure. I was just under the impression that a trust would be less paperwork with not having to deal with fingerprinting, photos, and LEO signitures. I was sure wrong on that one and that's the reason I love this site. |
| The only way to do what you postulated in the beginning, (two different people using one suppressor at different times without both being present), is to have both as co-trustees in a trust. The trust saves the need for the chief LEO sign-off but the other stuff is about the same. Certainly the wait is the same. |
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O I'm not doing anything on my own thats for sure. I was just under the impression that a trust would be less paperwork with not having to deal with fingerprinting, photos, and LEO signitures. I was sure wrong on that one and that's the reason I love this site. The trust is a lot of INITIAL work to setup (well, not really, Sean did ALL the work, with the exception of signing the Form 1. The guy setting up the trust will ask questions and fill out everything but the signatures), but the next item is much easier to get onto the trust as you just submit the proper form and a copy of your trust, and the item after that, and the item after that, so on so forth. Trust is, IMO, the way to go. While you might not live in a county like Harris right now, if you were to move there, the CLEO will NOT sign paperwork for you. He won't even do it for his own Police Officers (last I heard) so a trust is necessary if you ever move to a county like that in Texas and you want to add items. |
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Quoted: The only way to do what you postulated in the beginning, (two different people using one suppressor at different times without both being present), is to have both as co-trustees in a trust. The trust saves the need for the chief LEO sign-off but the other stuff is about the same. Certainly the wait is the same. LLC will also work. |
| Does it have to be a lawyer specified in doing NFA trusts? Or can it be any lawyer and them just doing a simple trust? I would think a simple trust by a good lawyer would be way better than a homemade quicken trust but I havent done this before. I was thinking if any lawyer could just do the trust I could go to one that I already know in my hometown. |
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The Quicken trust and many other boilerplate trusts are responsible for thousands of NFA approvals every year. To say they won't pass scrutiny is incorrect. Do whatever makes you happy, but make decisions based on fact, not on uneducated fears. Az And there have been more of them rejected than those by lawyers and no one stands behind those Boilerplate trusts. Not every trust by quicken et al gets rejected, but then no one ever said they did. |
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Does it have to be a lawyer specified in doing NFA trusts? Or can it be any lawyer and them just doing a simple trust? I would think a simple trust by a good lawyer would be way better than a homemade quicken trust but I haven't done this before. I was thinking if any lawyer could just do the trust I could go to one that I already know in my hometown. Hogslayers, If you continue to have questions, can you take this to the Texas Hometown Forum. [Nasty comment deleted] [Nasty comment deleted] . . . or do it like you want. [Nasty comment deleted]. [Nasty comment deleted] No, it doesn't have to be a lawyer familiar in doing NFA trusts. [Nasty comment deleted]. People here have given you the answer - [Nasty comment deleted] By the way, yes a simple trust done by a good lawyer is better than a homemade Quicken trust. It is also true that a specifically focused NFA trust done by a good lawyer who knows the pitfalls of NFA trusts is better than a simple trust done by a good lawyer who doesn't. |
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