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Posted: 8/20/2012 7:15:46 AM EDT
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Just getting started. I have a 650, with the stuff for 9mm, 45 ACP & 45 Colt, some odds and ends. Going to start reloading .300 BLK, and researching which trimmer to use. Looks to me like I can't use the dillon trimmer on the 650 due to the design.
Which one is recommended? I've seen the Giraud, RCBS Trim Pro, etc, and want to get some pointers before I buy. I've also yet to get .300 BLK dies and maybe the conversion kit. I've got three tool heads total, one of which is empty right now, one a quick change with the extra powder measure and one set up for 9mm. Input appreciated. |
| To trim 300 blackout on your 650 you need a toohead that has been milled down. http://www.bradswarehouse.com/index.php?p=1_10_Toolheads this is where I bought mine from and it works good. Make sure you get the blackout trim die with the toolhead. |
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To trim 300 blackout on your 650 you need a toohead that has been milled down. http://www.bradswarehouse.com/index.php?p=1_10_Toolheads this is where I bought mine from and it works good. Make sure you get the blackout trim die with the toolhead. so what is the Dillon trimmer set up for to start with, the 1050? |
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To trim 300 blackout on your 650 you need a toohead that has been milled down. http://www.bradswarehouse.com/index.php?p=1_10_Toolheads this is where I bought mine from and it works good. Make sure you get the blackout trim die with the toolhead. so what is the Dillon trimmer set up for to start with, the 1050? It's set up for 550, 650, 1050; to trim 5.56 and longer, as in length of case. When the case is so short, the trim die and trimmer can't reach the case for work, so thinning of the toolhead by milling brings the dies closer to the case or farther through the toolhead. At least this is what I gather. That looks like the best setup and the quickest for case prep. I'll probably have to start out manual and graduate to motorized after a while. I can always use the manual trimmer for other odds and ends or sell it once I'm running a motorized system. |
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Yes, you can use Dillon trimmer with 650 press.
In fact using with XL650 or Super1050 is the way to go. As mentioned, when mounted on XL650 there will be variances that may or may not be acceptable to you. Mount Dillon trimmer on single stage press and variances all but disappear. I'm running mine 650/1200 for the buckets full of plinker grade .223. I control variances where I can trimming plinker grade and do what everyone else does about variances I can't control. Ignore them. My precision stuff is loaded on equipment having minimal to zero variance. There's good reason why Giraurd is back ordered for trimmers. My self, for precision use a cam lock trimmer for .308 Winchester since 700 or less a year is what needs trimming. |
| I had some variance in my case length on my 650 using the standard toolheads to trim. I went to uniquetek and bought the whidden gunworks billet toolheads with the clamping kit installed and now my brass is trimmed within .001. The clamping kit screws the toolhead to the press instead of using the 2 black pins that your normally would use. The toolheads are about $39/each versus about $28/each at dillon. You can also just buy the clamping kit that you can install on your current toolheads as well. |
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Why are you wanting to trim 9mm or 45 auto. They both use a taper crimp and are not sensitive to case lengths that are not all exactly the same.
Beside that I dare you to find one of either that "needs" trimmed. This goes for most if not all straight wall auto pistol cases. I've seen many posts in reloading forums that state 45 Auto cases actually get shorter not longer with use. |
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Why are you wanting to trim 9mm or 45 auto. They both use a taper crimp and are not sensitive to case lengths that are not all exactly the same. Beside that I dare you to find one of either that "needs" trimmed. This goes for most if not all straight wall auto pistol cases. I've seen many posts in reloading forums that state 45 Auto cases actually get shorter not longer with use. This is for trimming 300 BLK. Nobody said anything about trimming .45, unless its been edited out and I don't see it. |
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You can't just mill the Dillon Toolheads down thinner as they aren't solid aluminum but rather have supports built into the casting (look on the bottom of one). The issue is not with the trimmer itself, but rather with the trim die's short length due to the short case length. Brads are newly made, solid aluminum toolheads that are thinner. I use Dillon's trimmer with the standard toolhead for .223, .308, and 30-06 and I use Brad's toolhead and CH4's trim die to do my 30 carbine brass. The thinner toolhead exposes the opening to allow chips to be sucked out. As you can see, if I set my 30 carbine die in a standard toolhead the opening would be completely buried and the die would clog up with shavings. Note that I put the locknut on the die under the toolhead so as not to obstruct the opening. It works just fine.  |
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